Article: Responsible AI Use, Darktable, and DDT

I deeply think the way those new possibilities are getting introduced in society to be a political problem in the core.

We see our politicians struggle even to handle criminal behavior in the ‘social’ media. There’s lack of rules, lack of recherche and lack of penalties. The companies earn money on criminal behavior. The same is going to happen with AI.

Part of the problem - in my understanding - is that states lost a lot of power relative to big companies. We have come so far that companies start to be more powerful than states.

In my eyes it is time to conquer back this power as it belongs to the people.

In answer to @paperdigits , as mentioned before (@martinus) there are lots of medical appliances, as well as bio-medical, I believe finally cars will get safer through it.

All said I’m not overly optimistic about the present direction and speed - and lack of political will and speed.

@JasonTheBirder , this is a good article regardless of whether you agree or not.

I’d just add that Adobe needs to provide new features to justify it’s subscription pricing and there’s probably more they can do with AI rather than with their legacy tools.

Also, in addition to creative concerns there’s a matter of trust with more and more unscrupulous people passing off AI images as real photos. And I’ve found myself doubting the authenticity of some photos because they look “too AI”, and it’s only going to get hard as AI imaging “improves”.

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Bear in mind that a lot of the safety-critical (like driving) and medical applications are still being sold as human-replacement rather than human-assistance, where the AI does the bulk of the work and maybe a single human-in-the-loop is there to just to spot the errors that AI makes (or just rubber-stamp the AI results).

This sounds like a good thing, but people find it really hard to spot the 1-in-100 sort of errors that AI makes. They become complacent (especially if, for example, they mostly see the positive output and not the negative) and their attention (and skill level) will drift. It’s hard enough for a driver to maintain active attention on the road when they’re making all the decisions, imagine if they’re just watching something else do the driving. I worry that in those sorts of scenarios the AI gets the credit for the successes and the human (if they’re even present in the loop) will be there just to take the hit for not spotting the mistakes.

For medical applications, it’s nice to think of AI being a second pair of “eyes” alongside humans (so, for example, you have both the AI and a professional looking at all of the medical scans to spot cancers, each backing up the other) but in practice that requires employing a human and paying for the compute power as well, and AI as a budget-saving measure still makes more sense to most decision makers.

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When you don’t know they can’t?

Who could’ve forseen they would’ve give up thinking?

Reading a map and using a compass is not at all intuitive and I don’t think its something you can just easily pick up.

I am glad my father taught me, even if I don’t use it often.

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I’m getting off topic here… but the arrogance of some posts must be addressed.

They don’t. Thinking this is generational arrogance. They much more dependent on tech (that is the world they grew up), and is not their fault. They think differently.

And if they ‘stopped’ thinking as you claim, who is to blame? Well the people that (supposedly) raised them…

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That is scary, but was that because they were using tools like chatgpt or was that because they used specialized tools?

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For me the worst bit about AI and Darktable is how it fractured the DT community because of the difference of opinion. That was sad to see.

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I agree, that is very sad…

They used chatgpt the same way they use it for finding the best bar close around. Basically they just didn’t know enough about medicine and thus asked the wrong questions and didn’t include relevant facts because they didn’t know what was relevant. (As vibe coding people …)

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Not just DT, this is a very, very divisive and polarizing technology. In that sense it’s different from blockchain and other previous fads. This one seems to be pushed far harder by the powers that be, that might have something to do with it.

Maybe it is to late to do something against AI, Darktable is part AI, G’MIC 4.0 also. We just left with software versions before AI, and after.

DT makes it free to ignore AI if you don’t want to use it. So this seems as reasonable a compromise as anyone could offer.

Isn’t this “problem” solved by downloadable maps?

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Google maps is a map. Is it so hard to find one’s way through a town, at least, if suddenly given paper instead of LCD? I don’t know the answer, because I’ve lived through both.

Granted, to be dropped in the middle of a moor with paper map and compass is indeed a different level of map reading. And one that I wouldn’t be good at: I can’t even remember the word for it. I used to sail: I could take and plot bearings, but the land-based version has knacks and skills of its own. People don’t hike with a portable chart table and parallel rules, lol.

(my brain is telling me that the word is *electioneering." What rubbish! Worse than AI, :rofl: )

I don’t remember I have ever been taught to read a map and using a compass and although I cannot promise that I would not get lost in an unknown place with just a map and a compass, I don’t think it’s really that difficult.

I’m guessing you were searching for the word orienteering. :grin:

A big difference between a paper map and a phone map is one has a dot at my current location, and one does not. That, for me, is often the big benefit. :round_pushpin::compass::earth_africa:

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Yes! Thank you :D.

And that blue dot does indeed make all the difference.

Maybe not. But it is a set of specific skills that do need to be learnt. Without them, you might be the one trying to find shelter under a sheep when others have long-since reached the cosy bar :).

I do know how to use a marine hand-bearing compass: I do not know the tricks of that rectangular-plastic thing with a compass that “orienteers” use. So, on land, I might be sharing that sheep :slight_smile:

I’d just like to remind people that the models used in DT are not LLMs and that most of them are developed by researchers in independent institutions and not by big tech (SAM being the (only?) exception). The tech is also pretty old (almost 40 years!).

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I was referring specifically to map and compass basic usage.

To my generation, in my country’s schools, before the Internet era, orienteering wasn’t taught, neither at school, nor by the average parent. I assume that’s because we were never supposed to be wandering in an unknown territory with a map and a compass.

Of course there were world maps on the walls and in textbooks. And at a certain point we must have learnt what a compass is (and that it doesn’t point to the Polar North…), in some geography, history or science class.
I also recall to have received a toy compass as a gift.

I have to add that, as a child of school teachers, I had the luck to be raised in a family with many books (and atlases), and some interest for art. So my experience is not representative of all my generation.

But then, even more, if a kid today can’t use a print map, or would get lost in the wild without having access to google maps (like myself and many “oldies” like me), that is hardly Internet’s fault.

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