Default module order preset

I’ve created a new module order preset and I’ve configured it to auto-apply to all raw images:

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However, when I open a new raw file, darktable still selects the default module order:

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In the settings → presets, I see this:

which seems to indicate both my preset and the default one are set to auto-apply. Maybe the default preset is “winning” over mine?

I’ve tried to disable auto-apply for the default preset but I haven’t figured out how to do it.

I can select my preset manually, but it’s very cumbersome to have to do that for every new image I open. Does anyone know how to make darktable select my module order preset by default?

Have you tried setting the module order to none in the preferences.

You should be able to selectively copy and paste the module order. Currently I found it introduced side effects, copying more, it seems. With newly imported, unedited images it may work.

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I did, but it didn’t have any effect (the default raw order is still applied).

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I also tried importing images that darktable has never seen, and still the default order is applied.

You can export the preset so others can test.

Good idea – I don’t know why I didn’t think of it before! I’ve attached the preset. The only change I’ve made is the addition of a diffuse-and-sharpen module with a sharpen demoisacing preset before the “input color profile” module:

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You could also try creating a preset that is named the same as the default. The new one should replace the default preset in the drop-down list (I think).

Can’t you make a style with your selected modules in a given order instead of a preset to module order?

What is your reason for that? Do you see a perceivable, beneficial change?

I feel like this came up as a suggestion one time or maybe its even in the manual??

This is a comment from the manual…

  • recover the original image from sensors with an anti-aliasing filter or mitigate the blur created by most demosaicing algorithms (use one of the sharpen demosaicing presets and move the module before the input color profile module in the pipeline),
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Now that you mention it, I recall having read it.
I think at one point Aurélien (or was it someone else?) argued that it was an initial suggestion that does not seem to have any practical consequences, after all.
This is what I see at 200% zoom, comparing diffuse or sharpen (2 iterations instead of 1 to increase the effect, if any):

Interestingly, comparing the two TIFF exports in linear light, 32-bit in the GIMP, in difference mode, the difference on black lettering of the licence plate should be quite significant:

But I don’t see any (well, at 400% zoom I see some, in the flowers). Here are crops of the other details (sorry, not quite the same area in the 3 shots):

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What about at 100% given what you see in Gimp… Just curious… I am not trusting the scaling in DT to give accurate previews for these sorts of things… I wonder too if trying to examine this is impacted by the issue raise in the recent past about DT not maybe doing the math correctly when scaling…If you do one of those checkerboard images with two colors 50% of each and scale you see a different color that what one might predict depending on how the math is done and sometimes different at different zooms and even the nav preview can be different than the main one… whereas I think it was shown that GIMP handles it correctly when scaling the preview or if correct is not the right word then based on accounting for gamma I believe…

Above 100% zoom darktable just repeats pixels, there is not smoothing/fancy scaling algo, so that is not affected. Here’s a 16x zoom from a random picture I was processing, you can clearly see the blocks:

Since I see very little difference, I’ll just keep applying the module at it default place. Everyone should evaluate this for themselves.

So, returning to the original topic (sorry for dragging the discussion off-course): @mbs , does creating a style work as expected?

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  • I agree there may not be a benefit to having a “diffuse and sharpen” module before “input color profile”, but I was playing with this idea since it’s mentioned in the manual. I just wanted to see if I could have that module automatically applied in a non-default position for all new photos.
  • What I’m trying to do should work, according to my understanding of the documentation. Am I doing something wrong? Is this a bug?
  • I have tried doing this with a style, and it does work, but it’s an extra couple of clicks per image. It’d be great if we could have automatically applied styles…

@elstoc I haven’t had a chance to rename the preset to the same name as the default one. I’ll try it soon and report back.

This doesn’t work, or does it?
I didn’t get it to work, having a preset for a second module instance at a different position in the pipeline.
I find the idea intriguing, as it would save me some clicks to apply a style. In my case, it’s a second instance of the tone eq at a different position.

It doesn’t seem to – that’s the problem.