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Darktable kent veel gebruikers, verspreid over de wereld. Waar zijn de Nederlandse en Vlaamse gebruikers?
Kunnen wij elkaar helpen, inspireren en verder brengen? Laat eens weten of elkaar leren kennen een goed idee is.
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Hi @Pieter_Zanen,
This is an English speaking forum. Readers who come here expect to see posts in English. Using a different language can be perceived as not very polite and inclusive.
EDIT: I am not a moderator, this was a personal opinion (see below) but I clearly did not express it clearly. And I have learned that non English messages are also welcome, so apologies for stating something false.
I still think think that it’s not nice, but this is my problem and I should have refrained from typing.
@Masterpiga: You can find German and French posts if you look, and no one is bothered or feels excluded by them. I have even seen text in, heaven forbid, Hungarian on this forum 
In this day and age, you can get a translation very quickly if you are curious.
In any case, the title of the post says it all, if you are Dutch/Flemish it is safe to assume that you speak Dutch, if you are not, it is unlikely that you would participate in this discussion anyway.
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Yeah, well I am Dutch too, so let me translate… at least do a reasonable attempt here.
Darktable has many users over all parts of the world. Where are the Dutch and Flemish users?
We may be able to help each-other, inspire and bring further? Please let us know whether you find meeting and learning each-other is a good idea.
Kind regards Jetze
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I am not a moderator, this is just my opinion based on common netiquette and game theory: If everyone starts writing in their own language the value of the forum is diminished.
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have a look at Nieuw boek over darktable – Kevin Vermassen
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Seen it, read it. It’s is an impressive document, chapeau
As a moderator, no to all of this. Yes, most posts are in English. Yes, English posts will appeal to the most number of users; like most of the internet, English is the lingua franca.
But we don’t require it and we certainly do not consider other languages rude or non-inclusove.
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I stand corrected, then. Sincere apologies to @Pieter_Zanen for providing wrong information and to @paperdigits and the other mods for overstepping my role.
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Ha, the world is not exactly in disarray because of this…
Kind regards, Jetze
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Ik ben een nederlandse gebruiker van darktable, echter ik heb de interface wel ingesteld staan op engels.
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Dag Martinus
Ik opereer op eenzelfde manier. Omdat de vele YouTube video’s ook in het Engels zijn, werk je met de Engelse uitvoering van DT makkelijker. Anders ben je voortdurend naar het Nederlands aan het vertalen. Sommige Engelse begrippen vertalen daarbij ook nog eens lastig. Neem de term ‘perceptual’ eens: heb ik geen goede NL term voor gevonden.
Maakt wel dat het leerproces een extra hobbel kent en daar wilde ik op insteken. Waar kunnen NL gebruikers elkaar helpen?
Groet
Pieter
I generally welcome the chance to improve my comprehension of other languages
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Precies, dt is een super krachtig programma en ik ben heel erg blij met de resultaten. Maar de leerproces is niet eenvoudig, vooral omdat het niet eenvoudig kennis van Lightroom / Capture One / RawTherapee / … mee te nemen naar dt omdat de aanvlieg route anders is.
De documentation van darktable is heel goed, vanuit een technisch oogpunt. Maar als een nieuwe gebruiker bent dan is het lastig goed te beginnen. Maar hoe dat te veranderen weet ik nog niet goed…
Maybe start here with this helpful reference from @Donatzsky
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That’s a nice one referencing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUc6LOzg_Nk which I also did not know. Unfortunately I am already too far to profit much now… 
love dt
Kind regards, Jetze
That is a good starting point. But to be fair, I struggled after the initial step. I struggled with using the modules,
for example: coming from Lightroom… how do I deal with white balance… It is a bit more involving than just a temperature slider (which until this day I find counter intuitive… you make the slider go into the blue’s and the picture gets yellow? ???)
That hour video is really nice, no criticism whatsoever. But I am thinking about: who can we help people to grow such that from playing around in darktable (first hours) to helping them become darktable to be their primary raw editor. To get them from wow this is powerful to feel confident to know to what to do to get a certain result…
For learning about specific modules, I would suggest looking for videos from Bruce Williams, as suggested in the guide.
White balance is a bit tricky. See:
Color Calibration part 2.
Agree @martinus, but I do believe that it is mainly ‘spent hours’ as is the same with LR/PS and other photo-software. That said it might be that developing a couple of videos / written doc’s that take beginners by the hand may help a great deal. But what will they have to add or be different to what is already out there? And then again who is going to make and maintain these?
Maybe it is best to start something like a beginners corner on this forum. And have this populated with darktable users who are not top experienced but past the beginning struggles. And simply have a lot of fun.
And then again - how to be found properly.
Kind regards, Jetze
I agree with Jetze on the beginners corner.
We must realise that processing RAW’s is a trade, it will never be easy and requires a lot of background knowledge. A good example is the AgX module with its sigmoid curve. For me, as former epidemiologist / lung physiologist these curves are well known. The way oxygen binds to the haemoglobin is dictated by such a curve, statistical procedures like logistic regression are based on sigmoid curves. So I have an advantage, others might / will lack. To understand these modules and predict their effects requires such backgrounds. In my view, this illustrates that the learning curve is and will stay steep.
The issue has been raised several times and I conclude not solved. There are many You Tube video’s, but the drawback is that they are fragmented and teaching skills vary a lot.
Each contributor can pick his/hers subject of interest, determine the length of the video and the level of detail. So, we see videos which are far too long of far too short. Video’s with fast amounts of maths or only some 5 minute processing.
The lack of coordination is evident and so Jetze his proposal is sound.
Darktable offers a lot of modules (very good), but it is confusing. Trying to find proper instructions means a confusing set of video’s. We need a planet.darktable nowadays.
So yes, let us set up a group of willing users, whose aim is to set up an set of coordinated instructions to aid the novice. I am more than willing to act as moderator