I should know this by now. Example: Working color profile>ProPhoto, output profile>aRGB.
Deactivate the ‘gamut button’ in order to see edits in the aRGB color space. Correct?
By gamut button you mean this one? 
If so, then no: with that button you control how the histogram is generated (using the working profile or the output profile). With that button turned off you will see a histogram and the values in the Navigator panel using the output profile (your aRGB profile).
If I have understood it right, in order to look at a preview close to the exported image, you must: turn on the soft-proofing button ( 
), not use a printer profile (in Preferences), and set the output profile as the display profile.
Hope this helps
Please correct me if I am wrong
basically I think that when viewing during processing, the following transformation occurs:
Working space → display space → monitor
I deduce that because my display can reveal some blue colors that are out of sRGB gamut
When exporting the following transformation occurs:
Working Space → output space → file
and when viewing the file you have
file → display space → monitor
Thus, during processing, you cannot perceive the effect of the output profile on the exported file and changing it is useless.
This is where soft proofing can bring some help.
I think when you turn on the soft proofing button one of following happens:
Working space → output profile → monitor
or
Working space → output profile → display profile → monitor
To be clear which of the following is true:
- you set the display profile in preferences/color management/monitor default color profile to output profile
- or you set color tab/color management/output profile to display profile
I think the first is equivalent to the above soft proofing.
The second doesn’t permit to soft proof the real output profile.
So in either case, I should not do that.
True
True. And this time you can see the real colors of the exported image.
The first one is the way to go if you want to use the soft-proofing button to see how the image will look when exported. At least it is if the tooltip of that button is accurate.
I can’t check myself because my monitor, even though capable of showing some orange-reds out of sRGB gamut, is close enough to sRGB to not allowing me to see any meaningful difference. That should preferably have to be tested by someone with a wide gamut monitor.
The second option would only be useful if you where to send that image to some place that use exactly the same monitor as yourself.
Are you saying that the monitor default color profile in preferences and output profile in the color tab would be the same. For example sRGb and sRGB?
If so, then I would not be using my profiled Xrite monitor icc profile.
That’s exactly what the tooltip suggests
And in such case you wouldn’t be willing to see what your monitor is capable to render, but what the output profile would do to the image colors, would you?
Yes, it seems so, though It’s still a good idea to have the monitor calibrated.
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Well, I have mine calibrated 
But even though what I said comes from what the tooltip says, we would still have to wait until a developer chimes in to confirm it.
I still can’t understand how RT is able to show the proper range of exported colors in my monitor if it knows nothing about the proper (aka calibrated) profile for the monitor itself.
Is there an explanation in rawpedia about display soft proofing? I was not able to find it.
I am not sure you are right and the best way should be to inspect the code and after provide an explanation in rawpedia. But I am not able to read C++.
My tooltips are showing, but not in the color module
Not in English
I think am right if the tooltips of those 2 buttons (soft-proofing and OOG colors) are right.
I can’t read code either, so we will have to wait some developer to shed some light in this matter
You mean the color tab? Not all sliders and controls have a tooltip
I was referring to what is mentioned above.
I’m sorry I’m not following you
You mentioned a tooltip in an earlier post today, 2 hours ago. Where is that tooltip that you are referring to?
Now I get it 
This is the Soft-Proofing button tooltip:
And this one is the Out of Gamut Colors button tooltip:
So the first tooltip says: if you turn on this button, the display uses the output profile and you haven’t set a printer profile in the Preferences, then you will see the colors of the exported image.
Or at least I understand it that way.
I just read those tooltips in my RT software. Who ever wrote the first example regarding the soft-proofing is not really explaining it clearly IMHO. As you suggest, I think it’s saying that if no printer profile is set in the preferences and the soft proofing button is active, that we would see the colors of the exported image (output profile). This raises the question as to what monitor profile to use in Preferences>color management when soft proofing without a printer setup. Confirmation from a dev would be reassuring.
The out of gamut tooltip makes sense.
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I think the 1st one does make sense too. If a printer profile is setup und you enable soft proof you see on the screen what the printer would see. If no printer profile is assigned and you enable soft proof you will see what your output image would see.
I’m not sure of that. No printer profile assigned. .With soft proofing on or off, the lockable color picker changes values when I change the output profile in the color module. It appears that the output profile is always being seen as long as the histogram/navigator switch button is off.
Of course the color picker value changes when you change the profile.
Now let us start with the out-of-gamut button enabled.
In this case using the soft proof button in addition and a printer profile is assigned, then it is checked which pixels on the print output would be out-of-gamut. You do not see the whole image like it would be on the printer, just the pixels which are out-of-gamut on the printer are colored differently with a visually strange color on your screen…
If no printer profile is assigned and the soft proof button is used then those pixels which would be out-of-gamut in the final picture are colored differently with a visually strange color on your screen.
Last but not least, if the out-of-gamut button is enabled and the soft proof button is disabled the whole magic is done for your monitor profile.
Well, at least this was always my understanding.
soft proofing button
Now I agree. No need to change the display profile.
In that case what it is done by RT:
this
Working space → output space → monitor
or this
Working space → output space → display space → monitor
Experimenting, I really think the second is true.
@Thanatomanic @heckflosse could you confirm?
Behavior of histogram/color picker is completely independent of soft proofing.
It is ruled by this button
I think the tooltip is wrong when it says that
- the working profile is used. Instead, the working profile modified by a gamma curve is used.
- the gamma-corrected output profile is used: it is the output profile (linear, with a TRC, or gamma corrected) that is used with no additional gamma correction.
Same understanding as you.
All this discussion shows that a clarification in rawpedia is needed.
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