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July 2015

ukbanko Supporter

I’ve had a look at the three samplers, what Riley has going for him, is his clear and easy way to present a tutorial.
Well worth a look.
BTW Pat, a good and interesting Q&A,
Thanks

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July 2015 ▶ ukbanko

patdavid

Thanks! :blush:
This was my first go at coming up with some questions that would be worth reading (it’s much harder than you’d think!). So I’m glad it was at least interesting to read.

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July 2015

ukbanko Supporter

Shane Milton has a Q&A with Riley on his You Tube channel, he also has some darktable tutorials :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Q9JW_rFXQ

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July 2015 ▶ ukbanko

patdavid

I saw this when @RileyB initially posted it over on google+. It’s fun to watch and listen to, even if I feel that Shane’s interviewing style could use a little work (it feels a bit stilted and stiff). Riley is fun to watch because he’s animated and interesting.

April 2016

frmerced

Hello!

Reading again this article, I must add that THERE IS a course for mastering Inkscape, but in spanish: “Logo a Logo”, by Joaclint:

https://joaclintistgud.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/inkscape-logo-a-logo-2ª-edicion/

It’s a little old now, but very well done and with example files to work with.

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April 2016 ▶ frmerced

Mondayman

For Logo creation, this heree is alos a good adress.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/videos

There is not much about why he is doing it the way hes doing it, but to learn some good technics its quite good.
This channel is for beginners good to.

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April 2016 ▶ patdavid

asp

I’ll have to check out the photo management elements in darktable. Can it be used as a lightweight DAM?

I dislike the renaming files part of the workflow. I strongly believe that metadata should take priority, filenames are irrelevant.

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April 2016 ▶ asp

asp

My other pet peeve, of course, is that MWG Guidelines seem to be ignored. Again.

Metadata Working Group Guidelines

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April 2016

patdavid

In what way are they being ignored? Not sure which thing you’re referring to specifically.

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April 2016 ▶ patdavid

asp

IPTC is specifically mentioned in the workflow, but no mention of following MWG Guidelines to map the differing metadata standards. No offence, as I said it’s just a pet peeve of mine.

April 2016

Morgan_Hardwood Level 3 Pleb

MWG vs JEITA/CIPA. Some parts don’t match, e.g. the comment and description field intentions, causing much trouble, which I’ve reported extensively about in a ping-pong between Exiv2 and digiKam.

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April 2016 ▶ Morgan_Hardwood

asp

My conclusion is that MWG is what everybody has agreed to do in public. At home, they each still do their own thing.

April 2016

asp

Is there a link to that discussion? I’d be interested in reading it as I have some minor involvement in both of those projects.

April 2016

Morgan_Hardwood Level 3 Pleb

http://dev.exiv2.org/issues/985

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April 2016

asp

Ah yes, issue 985. I remember that now. My conclusion remains. Adobe is part of the MWG. Through those guidelines, Adobe and the other members agreed that:

Description defines the textual description of a resource's content. 
Also known as "user comment”, "caption”, "abstract” or "description”. 
Exif ImageDescription, IPTC Caption, and XMP (dc:description) are mapped together.

This makes sense, as the words “description” and “title” are not synonyms. MWG Guidelines are silent on the “title” tag.

April 2016 ▶ Mondayman

MLC

I love this guy! He has been quite helpful to me while brushing up on Inkscape.

April 2016

DavidOliver Supporter

[quote=“asp, post:8, topic:264, full:true”]
I’ll have to check out the photo management elements in darktable. Can it be used as a lightweight DAM?[/quote]

I would say so, though I don’t know much about DAM. You can create collections based on multiple criterion, and tag images. So far I’ve been using tags like ‘person:david’.

I tend to agree.

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April 2016

damonlynch

Let us know if you still feel the same way when you’ve got hundreds if not thousands of duplicate file names among 100,000+ source files, and you have already iterated through more than one way of going about your DAM as the years have rolled by.

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April 2016

chris Supporter

Do you know about hierarchical tags? If you are using “person|david” instead of your tag then the tag “david” will be a leaf in a hierarchical tree ”root-person-david”. That way you will be able to filter for all persons or for “david” alone or for the whole path “root-person-david”. The vertical bar “|” is used as separator between branch levels.

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April 2016

DavidOliver Supporter

I probably deserved that. I suppose even if duplicate filenames aren’t an issue in storage due to folder structure they could become one when exporting and managing files generally. Anyway, I haven’t even bought and watched the course yet, so I think I’ll give it a go.

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April 2016

DavidOliver Supporter

I didn’t! Thanks very much for explaining; I’ll be sure to try that out and switch.

April 2016

damonlynch

I didn’t mean to be aggressive. Sorry if I came across that way.

If you have unique file names, no matter what database system you’re using to manage your DAM, you’re guaranteed to be able to locate a file if you ever happen to need to search by file name. And chances are one day, probably for a reason you don’t anticipate today, you’ll need to do that.

And I say that as an advocate for using metadata, including keywords and good descriptions and titles, to categorize the files in the DAM. It’s not either/or, it’s both/and.

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April 2016

asp

Depending on the hierarchical tag schema used. Some use “|”, others use “/”, others use a complex textual hierarchy.

The vertical bar “|” might be considered a defacto standard as it is what Lightroom uses. Not a problem for open source apps as the LR schema (and the others) are fully supported in exiv2 and exiftool.

Digikam, for example, uses that core functionality to read and write data to/from all the competing hierarchical keyword schemas: LR, MS, MWG, ACDSee …

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April 2016

asp

A valid point perhaps. But with CLI tools able to search all metadata, when would one actually have to search by file name? I am assuming here that the metadata is stored in the image file and/or in an sidecar file, not exclusively in a database.

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April 2016

damonlynch

Let’s assume you are looking for one of your images that you know is somewhere in your image store, but you don’t have the original metadata. What if you can’t recreate in your mind the correct metadata tags with which to search for, and all you have is the original filename or a variant on it?

Or what about the times when you have 50 copies of the same scene & subject, that are similar but not identical, all have the same keywords, and you need the exact one?

April 2016

chris Supporter

I was talking about darktable since @DavidOliver was talking about darktable. I do not know about lightroom, I never used it since I do not own an operating system supported by ligtroom for more than 15 years.

Good to know that digikam understands them all.

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April 2016

asp

Okay. I checked an image with hierarchical keywords added by darktable. It uses the LR schema.

Via the exiv2 cli:

Xmp.lr.hierarchicalSubject vegan|sushi|haruzame