Just saw this…bump the ram maybe but price is attractive…here in NA anyway …
Ok guys, so I got the HP Zbook yesterday. However, it seems that it’s a real pain to install something else but Windows on it or even remove Windows. It does actually start Windows 11 if I switch off secure boot, but the keys to start the uefi are not working when secure boot is off, I can only start the uefi (which includes the boot menu to boot the usb stick with Linux), from within Windows.
Man they made the live of non-Windows-non-Mac-people really difficult during the past years.
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So you have to do something like “restart to UEFI” in Windows itself?
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Thanks Microsoft…
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Which exact model do you have?
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Avoid restarts from windows, do a full shutdown.
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One reason why I bought a framework 16. Keyboard change in less the one minute 
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Initially it looked like that but the trick is hitting esc in a very specific moment…
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And Windows 11… not only Microsoft assumes that the user is a complete idiot or a little child… well… I don’t know, haven’t used Windows in a really long time but… functionalitiy wise and aesthetically it’s just a nightmare… seriously, I think I’m just speechless about Windows 11… anyway that’s my first impression
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Yes, I noticed that as well. Overall the windows interface has become very “dumbed down” for lack of a better expression… For example, they changed the copy, cut, paste, labels for icons and it broke a lot of people’s muscle memory. It took a few months to even add labels to the new icons. This just a small thing of course in the middle of all the anti-consumer stuff they constantly pull out.
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Could you put something like Mint on it…I think that is trusted by Microsoft and so you could do an install just to clean off Windows and then you could switch away if all was good?? What are the implications if you need to return this if you go past the point of restoring this?? I guess you have a system image before you start down that road… good luck getting to where you want to be…
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Actually… Windows likes to go to a sort of deep sleep when you shut it down, instead of truly shutting off. Reboot, in contrast, usually actually reboots the machine.
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That’s not my experience. I keep a windows 11 partition. Reboots act like hibernation for me.
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I have pre-UEFI and secure boot laptops, so take this with a grain of salt. When I set up my mother’s computer a long time ago, I struggling so much with the configuration that I nearly gave up. I ended up keeping the Windows installation, reducing its partition and using its boot menu to load the Linux installation in the other partition. It slows booting somewhat with the additional steps, but at least she has Linux on her machine.
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If you turn off fast boot and any equivalents in the bios Windows should both fully shut down and reboot.
I made the mistake of not doing any research before buying a laptop last year, I assumed a modern laptop would have a decent screen and it was terrible, really dull colours. I tried getting Fedora installed on it and that wouldn’t work, Ubuntu worked fine but Dell supports that.
Recently I got too annoyed with the screen and bought a second hand Asus laptop, they support Fedora so installs no hassle. I’ve got a dual boot with Windows 11 and secure boot enabled. I feel really alone because I really like Windows 11, think it’s the best Windows in years. 
The Dell laptop I got Arch installed but that was after removing the nvme drive with the Windows install and recovery etc on it. I’ve used that drive in the new laptop and a normal SSD for the Dell. I’m using the old laptop as a pc plugged into a monitor.
It’s definitely getting harder to install what you want on some devices though.
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On Tumbleweed I went through hell to get it work at all. When it worked I remember switching via the Plasma widget required a reboot to confirm the switch. Closing the lid when a program utilized the GPU required a reboot after opening the lid to make it available again.
If you want a thing that works while still getting an NVIDIA card, I’d try Bazzite or Aurora Linux based on Universal Blue. They have images that come with the Nvidia driver and it’s not a shit show when you update the drivers, because the drivers is baked into the update images.
If you’re not into the AI thang, wanting to use CUDA etc, I’d just get something with AMD graphics.
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Alright, so avoid Nvidia on Linux at all costs, noted.
As long as you use the driver with dkms or akmod(which is usually recommended by everyone) , you’re completely fine and it rarely causes issues.
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I used the NVIDIA version of popOS for my tinkering with Linux on my Windows machine and it was straightforward and worked fine… little to no need to tweak anything…
Probably fine with Bluefin/Aurora, but I will probably avoid NVIDIA until an open source driver is in the kernel, for now.
Hybrid-graphics with NVIDIA complicates things and I believe all laptops with NVIDIA has hybrid graphics…