I have read so many comments now who/what is rude or who/what is polite. Many/most of these comments are related to the feelings of - let’s say newcomers here - they feel “not accepted” or “ignored” or even “offended” by the reactions they get. I can fully understand these arguments.
Also it has been suggested to “just keep off the thread” in cases. All good again, and i very often just stop following.
But also: i remember my mother telling me when i was very young, it’s also rude, ignorant and impolite to bother others with things that have been discussed, explained or just stated many times before with good reasons. I understand that it’s often difficult to search this forum for a specific content. So if you want to be polite, you’d have 1) at least done your very best searching and 2) have reflected what reasons might be against your idea. ok?
(When processing data this come down to signal/noise ratio …)
In principle, I agree. But come on, honestly. When you are having a conversation in real life, do you ask a question or venture to express an opinion only after having read everything that there is to read? Before saying what you think of, say, Donald Trump, do you really read all there is to read about it or do you just vent a feeling based on the little that you know, or think of knowing?
Let’s be a bit understanding. You just found this software, you are trying to understand how it works. You are curios and excited. You have some expectations and some doubts. I think that it’s perfectly okay just to ask a question and see what comes out.
You wouldn’t be unkind in person to someone who asks a naive question, or who has unreasonable expectations. I don’t see why we have to apply different standards just because we are behind a screen.
I would like to believe that’s true, but when I see all the nastiness and remarks about all kinds of things on television and social media, I’m not sure that’s true any more. I think the concept of respect is slowly (or maybe not so slowly) disappearing and being replaced with rudeness and entitlement.
I was raised with the “keep you mouth shut and let people think you are a fool, rather than opening it and removing all doubt”. So when people raise an issue and I don’t know anything about it, I go research to try and understand before giving any input so that I don’t waste other people’s time. The downside to this is that I treat people the way I want to be treated and the values of society seem to be changing, so I"m sometimes disappointed.
That is an interesting choice of word. To play devils advocate here I would say some requests must come across as the user is entitled to expect DT to behave just like LR and if it doesn’t the developers are just wrong. Hopefully few people are really like this.
And @hannoschwalm, understanding your high pressure and demanding day job it is amazing that you volunteer so much of your free time to DT development. Thank you and thank you to all the other developers volunteering their time. Without a doubt it is my favourite editing software and its free.
Besides the actual code there is little in LR that could be patented when it comes to the principles of how something is done. Then how much does Adobe take from FOSS and incorporate into their program because they can and do.
I am struggling to find even one example I what LR does better that I would like DT to copy. Maybe some of its DAM capabilities are better?
@Qor I have a perpetual licence for LR6 and that is where I stopped my LR investments. So some of the new AI features are unknown to me. However, I personally find the masking options in DT top notch although I still struggle with the mask manager. When I feel I have got the mask manager worked out the next time I use it I realise I haven’t yet. I am not sure if the mask manager can be improved or just the moron using it needs to improve.
Psssst, not so loud, I once wrote a post with ideas about that… you can imagine what happened laughs.
Joking aside, the mask manager is good, but could need some love. However, I don’t think it should be a high priority.
Yes, it is. However, I haven’t used much AI except for the AI search. I’ve never been interested in AI masks, mainly because some of them are very slow.
In DT, I don’t need many masks and the entire masking system is absolutely fantastic. But I also make it easy for myself, as 95% of the time I just need a drawn mask
I feel we can already do that here by answering questions we know the answer to on the forum. The developers only need answer the really technical issues or correct the mistakes that people like me make occasionally when answering questions.
This was pure a reaction on the area’s where in my opinion dt could learn from others. Not a feature request, complaint or rant.
I think it is also important to recognise that even that if I miss things, that is not something I have against the dev’s
Regarding sharing the knowledge. Yes I got some form of subject selection working through a lua script which I have shared, not working optimal, and not very practical. It’s cumbersome.
And given that often for whatever reason people though it was a good idea to use python for these purposes, I also can’t see how I could reasonably contribute to darktable more than from a very high level.
My c is up to a level that I can read it. But my development work is in a different field where other languages are the norm. So my development skillset doesn’t translate very well to the darktable world and unfortunately at this phase in life I don’t have the time capacity to grow that skillset to a level can actually contribute
I don’t see why not - ideally done in a way that integrates with the wider community if possible.
I would say to remember that you can arbitrarily add tags to posts and can then recall them with a specific URL. For instance, any of the “Play Raw” posts are tagged as play_raw and all of them can be seen on the tags url: https://discuss.pixls.us/tag/play_raw
And, as you’ve already used the tag beginner in the darktable category, you can see all of the topics tagged that way with a url like: https://discuss.pixls.us/tags/c/software/darktable/19/beginner
I suppose you could even start your own topics for a page on darktable.info if you wanted any discussions to be handled here (one of the benefits being exposure to a possibly wider audience that might be helpful).
You sure could learn some things from a program that has tens of millions of dollars invested into it”
Which means they have 100+ full time developers working on it versus 20(?) “in their spare time” developers for darktable (counted from the contributor list in the credits). Of those 20, I was number 10 with less than 20 commits, which means that 11 - 20 had less commits than I did.
Right now there is 485 open issues and 70 open pull requests. That’s a lot of work for 20 or so part time developers. The good news is one developer from awhile ago is back and we’ve had a few new faces.
In this case: I was not expecting anything from anyone with my comment. I also have not asked anyone to build it in.
Also why would you by frustrated about it?
From a user perspective darktable and lightroom are both tools to develop a raw file. Darktable has a completely different philosophy and I get that. But from a pure user perspective it seems valid to me that a comparison is made.
But if someone says ‘well I see 2 things that can be improved, and in many things dt is better’, well guys that is a huge, huge compliment to you! What you have able to build in your free time is in many aspects outcompeting a program that is a multiple million dollar investment. Guys that is amazing, crazy and awesome! You should be proud!
If you’re comfortable with video editing tools (Davinci resolve, Final Cut, Blender…) you’ll be quite comfortable with darktable. All that scene referred stuff is originated there and using highly customizable processing workflows is daily business there to be efficient…
