New compact cameras - announcement roundup

Or blue and green: https://www.lesswrong.com/w/blues-and-greens-metaphor (and https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/MBpj3QKfPg9xKNeXW/the-robbers-cave-experiment)

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Yes, I fully agree on all these points. And really my comments about DR from those graphs were more of an illustration that it is DOES NOT really matter instead of it being something for us to obsess over. These numbers show that it’s barely noticeable these days if you go for M4/3, APS-C or 35mm. Over the years, I’ve increasingly come to value the ergonomics, size and handling of a camera, to the extent that my next purchase is probably going to be an ultra-compact. And I fully expect I will be able to create my best work with it.

I like to get into numbers, specs and technical details, but it’s more of a curiosity than anything else. When people start frothing at the mouth about sensor size and noise, I can’t wait to tune out. Worse, people tend to use hyperbole when comparing, such as “x blows y out of the water”, “the difference is night and day”, “x is trash”, “y blew me away”…

The reality is usually we’re talking about some incremental difference that most people wouldn’t even notice :smiley:

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I don’t mind about cameras without features. I’d be perfectly happy, for instance, if my camera didn’t do video. But I wouldn’t be perfectly happy to pay the same for that. And certainly not under the pretence of “fun.”

And, within the area of stills photography, I am not in the least interested in film simulations. I wouldn’t care if it was in the menu somewhere, but, as a dial, it is just a waste of space/opportunity.

Plainly, I am not a Fuji customer. But, honest, I am not out to beat, in any way, those that are.

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90%+ Of Fuji cameras don’t have film sim dials :wink:

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My suspicion is the algorithms that drive such language in socials, YouTube and the like end up influencing the way we communicate with real humans. Like technology is a tool for us and we for it.

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This made me grin. So that was fun

‘Hey consumer, wanna buy some fun’

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I can’t really imagine what types of photos I’d be taking with a modern compact camera where things like dynamic range and noise, and even sharpness to some degree, would matter all that much.

Is anyone taking astrophotos or studio portraits with an X half or Ricoh GR and expecting the same results as a full frame camera with an expensive lens? I don’t think many people are looking at casual night time street photos and going “boy, this would be the best photo ever taken except it has a little bit of noise.”

I used to be really into guitars and guitar gear and the mentality is not much different there. And similar to photography where there are renowned professionals still using ancient DLSRs, you have guys like David Gilmour who can take any strat and a fuzz pedal and make it sound like the best thing you’ve ever heard.

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Keith Richards has a collection of more than 3,000 guitars. He once said, give me five minutes with any of them, and I’ll have them all sounding the same.

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Yes, and the internet in general. I noticed a big difference in language used when I moved to North America from the UK 20 years ago. Everything here was “awesome” whereas it would have been “really nice” in the UK. But with the rise of the internet and globalization, language and its usage has spread rapidly to the extent I don’t notice regional differences as much these days.

When I talk to my father, who is in his mid-80s, I’m reminded of how people in the UK used to speak. His adjectives are more along the lines of “fine”, “really quite nice”, “interesting”, “surprisingly decent” :smiley:

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In my youth “teaching English” for six months in a school in Taipei with mix of westerners, an older Californian guy who divided his time teaching skiing in the States and English in Taipei would come into the staff room and exclaim “Heeeey! Was’happ’nin!” And at first, being dumb, I’d be trying to seriously think what was happening so I could tell him…

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One of the best stories of my life:

In probably the early 90s, my company sent me to a training course in Silicon Valley (California). On the Sunday evening when I arrived, I just went to a fast food sort of place. I am from the Deep South. When I tried to place an order, the Valley guy couldn’t understand a word I said. When he tried to ask me if I wanted this or that, I couldn’t understand a word he said. We both looked at each other for a few seconds, then we both burst out laughing.

We got it worked out and I think he enjoyed the moment as much as I did.

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It’s a big country

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Haha, yes, I know exactly what you mean. I had a similar experience the first time someone here said to me, “Hey man, what’s up?”

UK folks will know that someone says “What’s up?” when they can see something’s wrong and they’re wondering why you’re upset/annoyed. So, somewhat baffled, I just replied that nothing was wrong and I was feeling perfectly fine. He just looked at me equally baffled.

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Good point, especially when the said DOF is aimed at background bokeh and when the distance ratio between subject and background can have a much greater effect …

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Not sure I understand. The subject matter (and the space I want around it) pretty much dictates the distance. I preferably don’t want to determine the crop based on what DOF it would give me; it would be a different photo (and I’d rather use a different camera an/or lens accomplish what I envision).

A full body environmental portrait wouldn’t be environmental if I just moved nearer. Also, a full body portrait wouldn’t be full body if I moved nearer.

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I am surprised that you find a major difference between f/2 and f/2.8.

Sure, it is visible side by side, but in practice both give you a lot of blur. If that is not enough then it is easy to blur the already blurry background a bit more in editing.

But if this is really a hard constraint, then a crop-sensor camera may not be the best option for you.

anything over f/1.2 is a slow lens anyway. :stuck_out_tongue:

Also that Viltrox 75mm f/1.2 for Fuji is creamy AF, and i thought the 56mm was great at that already. (and it is)

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I use a different classification: how fast I can walk after carrying that lens for a 15km hike with 1500m elevation. Pancake primes and zooms are fast, regardless of their maximum aperture. Pro tele zooms are slow. Anything that has to go in the backpack when I squeeze through a narrow point in a gorge is slow. :wink:

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0.7 or nothing! If I can notice a single detail in an out of focus area it is already too much.

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I have a TT Artisan 50mm 1.2 for Fuji X and it is surprisingly compact and the glass is not that big. The only issue is its weight but this is not a function of its aperture capabilities but due to the full metal construction. That said, it’s almost unusable at 1.2 so it’s pretty much a gimmick. It’s cool to be able to see the huge aperture opening up when you scroll the rings though.

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