Can Siril be used successfully if lacking flats, darks, bias, etc? Does it do a good job aligning the frames? Do I need to use Hugin? Is there a GUI for Hugin?

I feed 6000x4000 px tiffs to Siril and after stacking and saving the resulting tiff I am given a 1920x1280 px tiff.

How do I tell Siril not to resize
Also there is a strange green hue diagonally across the middle of my frame and some red splotches also.

r_lights_stacked.tif (14.1 MB)

Am I missing something?

Weird, I used tiffs also and didn’t encounter any problem. Can you post a couple of the original tiffs so I can try ?

Sure, man, have a blast.

https://we.tl/t-K0L6qrxhlx

Could you also share the raws? In fact, during the registration step, all images are resized and I couldn’t find a setting to control that.

I would just like to start from the most fresh starting point, that is, raw files.

https://we.tl/t-MIc3w2XPOQ

Thanks.

Meanwhile, I think I got the size issue:

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Some of the tiffs you shared are 1920 x 1282, so I believe Siril automatically resize all of them.

I know that much, because I didn’t choose any resize, nor do I know how to.

Issue is how to tell Siril to not resize anything.

What I’m saying is that you can’t feed Siril with images of different sizes, or it will automatically resize them all by the smaller size (which seems to be fair). I mean, this is what I think it’s happening.

Why don’t you repeat the steps @sguyader draw with the raw files, this time checking the debayer option?

Hmmm, that’s strange. I was under the impression I was feeding full-sized tiffs.

I gave it another shot, feeding the raw files this time, the resizing issue is no longer present, but the output file is very very dark, way darker than the raw.

I was able to finish that, no automatic resizing from Siril.

This time (and the first, for me), I loaded the raws and simply selected Scripts → … No_flat_No_dark_No_bias script. It did all the job and produced a _result .fit image. While in Siril, it’s just a matter of file->save and select tif, so you can do the pp on a raw editor.
Here’s my take (basically, exposure to stretch the histogram, then filmic and tone curves)


result1.tif.xmp (5.3 KB) (DT 2.7)
EDIT: forgot to mention, before saving I did Image processing → remove green noise.

Interesting… I’ll try the script, maybe it does something differently than manually going through the paces.

This was my result using the raws.

The script gave me an error:

15:07:39: Running command: cd
15:07:39: ‘lights’ No such file or directory
15:07:39: Error in line 18: ‘cd lights’.
15:07:39: Exiting batch processing.
15:07:39: Script execution failed.

I tried renaming the folder to lights, but no dice. What am I missing?

the script assumes you have the raws on a subfolder named lights. Do that and rerun it
But it won’t give anything much different from what you got manually.
I think it has to do with the fact that the debayer was done in linear space.
You have to pp the result in any raw editor and get back all the tones (they’re there, but hidden to our eyes)

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Cool, makes sense.

Thank you very much for all your help.

fast forward → @sguyader

EDIT: Also, I recommend you to take a look at the script output and note the script location. Mine is /usr/share/siril/scripts/ (yours is probably the same).
open a terminal (you’re in Linux, right?), cd to that directory, then issue a ls command. You’ll see all the scripts in there. Issue a cat DSLR_Preprocessing_NoFlat_NoDark_NoBias.ssf. You’ll see the steps it took to process the images.
No big deal.
EDIT 2: Regarding the result I got, I’m missing some color (aren’t there any red stars?). Maybe I did something wrong. Let’s see if @sguyader add some light here (pun intended).

Weird, now I have an issue.
I edit the resulting tif in darktable, then export it to jpeg, and the exported image is very different from the edited tif. The jpeg looses the big stars

Why that??

@gadolf thanks for what you did. I won’t have time to try before tomorrow.
One difficulty is white balancing, so maybe you lose red stars because of a wrong white balance. I get quite good results by using auto WB in RT on the resulting tif.
Another risk of loosing star colors is if you clip the highlights. Make sure to monitor highlights clipping when you tweak exposure.

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I think there’s a benefit from feeding Siril with raw files when you preprocess them with raw bias/dark/flat frames, as these steps are done before demosaicing. If you don’t preprocess in Siril, I think you can get good results by developing the raw files in you favorite raw processor, making sure you have don’t clip anything in the process. In RT, you can use the “unclipped” profile, and save 16 bit integer TIFFs (unfortunately Siril doesn’t read floating point TIFF).

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Are you sure that it’s not just a preview rendering difference? Are the jpg and the tif the same resolution?

No, I’m not. Maybe DT’s display window (either in Lightable and Darkroom) uses a different algorithm than the export one. The fact is that it’s the first time I see a difference between a final jpeg and the processed raw.

Yes, the are.

When I tried processing the raws with “DSLR_Preprocessing_NoFlat_NoDark_NoBias.ssf”, it crashed my v0.9.12-beta3 version (freshly fetched from gitlab). Using the v0.9.11, it didn’t crash.
But the result didn’t look right color wise.
Skipping the preprocess line from the script, I got this (after tweaking exposure, contrast and color in ART):

I don’t see any difference in ART regarding TIFF/JPG.