Create lens calibration data for lensfun

(George) #21

Hello, I would like to create calibration data for a zoom lens. The maximum and minimum aperture varies across the zoom range (focal distances as labeled on the lens):
70 mm: f/4 - f/32
100 mm: f/4.5 - f/36
135 mm: f/5 - f/40
200 mm: f/5.6 - f/45
300 mm: f/5.6 - f/45

Should I use the same range of apertures for each of the focal distances (f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16, f/32) or different ranges per focal distance, based on the specific minimum and maximum values (like for 70 mm: f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/32)?

(Roman Lebedev) #22

There is no such requirement/limitation.

Just pretend that each focal length is a different prime lens, and profile it separately.

#23

Usually i perform full wide, then common f-stops (es. if the lens starts from 2.4, then 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22, if the lens starts from 1.8, 1.8, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11, 16, 22, in you sample, es. at 100 mm i would do 4.5, 5.6, 8 and so on, at 135mm 5, 5.6, 8 and so on).

I use more values than stricly needed, since itā€™s more time consuming to make the setup than to take pictures, so i donā€™t waste much time calibrating all f-stops.

(Robert Stephan) #24

I do not have results yet, but the first preparations are in progress. Because Iā€™m a lazy person that should be automated. For the aperture row, I made a small bash script. The aperture values offered by the respective lens are detected and from this a series of apertures is created which then runs on its own. Tested with the Canon Eos 5DS R and the EF 180mm macro.
Only for the vignette I have to come up with something else. The EF 11-24 f4 has a fixed lens hood, also tulip-shaped. That will not work with a simply lifted frosted glass. In case somebody need it I attached the script.
It works under Debian Buster.

#!/bin/bash
# Blendenreihe, Kamera auf AV und Fokus MF
# shoot 6 Lv func. Leise LV-Aufnahme Modus 1
# getestet mit EOS 5DS R und Makro EF 180mm 1:3.5 L
/usr/bin/gphoto2 --set-config /main/actions/viewfinder=1
/usr/bin/gphoto2 --set-config /main/settings/capturetarget=1
av=$(/usr/bin/gphoto2 --get-config /main/capturesettings/aperture | grep Choice | cut -d ' ' -f 2 | tr '\n' ' ')
array=($av)
for value in ${array[*]}
do
/usr/bin/gphoto2 --set-config-index /main/capturesettings/aperture=$value
sleep 1
/usr/bin/gphoto2 --capture-image
done
/usr/bin/gphoto2 --set-config /main/actions/viewfinder=0
exit
(Andreas Schneider) #25

Robert, I donā€™t really get what that script is for shooting the vignetting pictures?

(Robert Stephan) #26

Well, thats easy to answer. The Vignette is not the same at each aperture. Also not at each fokus distanz. But i think i will take only pictures with fokus infinite. Transversal chromatic aberrations differs also, i think so. So i need pictures with different aperture. And in order not to have to touch the camera for every shot I decided to solve it with a script.

(Andreas Schneider) #27

But if you calibrate a zoom lens you need to adjust the camera for each distortion image you take ā€¦

(Robert Stephan) #28

I know, Iā€™ve done that in the past. But only to get values for correcting the distortion. I have not yet found an optimal motif for transversal chromatic aboration. Thatā€™s why my request for support. Hints on suitable motifs or buildings would help me already.
The zoom lenses need then just a manual intervention, because I have no way to solve the remote control. Focus position can be solved by script, which is only good for the vignette.

greetings
Robert

(George) #29

Does the orientation matter for the vignetting photos? Despite the fact that I made the photos with the camera at almost 90 degrees up, it has recorded some of them as portrait.

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(lee) #32

I do the same with a building near me with sharp creases in metal siding. It works very well. It helps to have the siding fill the frame and to have direct sun casting sharp shadows.

(Andreas Schneider) #33

I dunno, I made sure that it is in landscape mode by checking after the first picture.

#34

@asn thank you for the tutorial.
Iā€™m puzzled about distance from the subject to measure distortion. I have read/watched the lensfun links and on the vimeo screencast there is a sentence (more or less): ā€œsome lens have strange distortions when the subject is close so the recommend distance is no less than 8 metersā€

Does anybody know which lenses have this issues?

What is the point of standing 8m from target (here, lines) for portrait lens if normal usage is letā€™s say 1 meter?

I thinking about profiling my m43 prime lenses (15mm, 20mm, 25mm, 42.5mm all Panasonic) using flipchart (which is 70x100cm) but if I need to be really at 8m away than I must go outdoors.

The other question is if vertical lines can be also measured and taken into consideration?

I definitely want to measure vignetting and add this to lensfun since itā€™s missing for my lens.

(Andreas Schneider) #35

The point of standing 8 meters away is that you get correct pictures for calibration. This has nothing to do with the shortest focus distance. You can try with the flip chart but if they are not correct donā€™t wonder why ā€¦ :wink:

#36

This 8 meters bothers me so I took a trip to imatest webpage for any guidance. The charts theyā€™re using (and selling) to measure distortion are not that big so you can take a picture from 8 meters and fill the frame. I assume that those 8m is just a rule of thumb.

Other thing is that m43 lenses have encoded correction parameters in firmware which is exposed in exif but the full format of it is still unknown.