Distro Fever VIII: The Maddening?

Maybe it is time to try Fedora again? I hopped through many things - FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Suse, Arch, Manjaro, but in the end settled on Fedora. It has fresh packages, good hardware support and at the same time is pretty stable.

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Have you implemented a system backup? I’ve used timeshift in the past, but I understand that in Fedora 37 partitions need to be manually created with a @in the name.

I’ve tried Nobara on a VM, it seems to have taken care of that stuff on it’s own. I’m a little leary of support on that distro. It seems like they use a discord server for it, and it doesn’t seem to be a great place for help. Distro itself seems pretty nice so far.


Now I have made a swift test of nobara as well.
Quick verdict: fast install. Recognized nvidia gfx.
Easy to install git versions of RawTherapee as well as darktable.

darktable clockings approximately 10% slower than on endeavouros and on kde neon.

Biggest problem so far: it takes ages to start darktable and/or rawtherapee.
For each start, nobara spams

ioctl (GFEATURE): Connection timed out

So, for the time being, my present favourite is kde neon.

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

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Quick work Claes!

I get a darktable launch time of 3 sec in Zorin, bare metal 32gb.
I get a darktable launch time of 5 sec in Nobara running in a VM with 8GB ram.

I figure with my attention span that of a goldfish, I’m ok with the 2 sec difference. Gives me time to reminisce about the old days…

Seriously, I’m interested in your methodology, as I’ve never approached comparing distro’s in any rational fashion.


I’m a Kubuntu person, but my employer made Fedora mandatory on my work PC and it worked well. Didn’t have to use it much though (was provided a Windows machine by the customer I was working for) so never bothered to make it run KDE.


… I’m interested in your methodology, as I’ve never approached comparing distro’s in any rational fashion.

Que? Rational??? Moi? (this would be a mis-quote from what?)
All I want is something that works the way I prefer…

I’m ok with the 2 sec difference.

Oh, I am not. Nobara slowed down my darktable with 0.496 seconds without openCL, and slowed it down with 0.214 seconds with openCL.

Gives me time to reminisce about the old days…

Can I interest you in a bunch of 3.5" Slackware v3.3 diskettes?

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

I recognize that what people find fun is highly subjective, but for me, installing Linux in the opposite of fun: >99% of the time it is a mechanical activity with an expected outcome, with a lot of waiting for the computer to download and extract files. Basically watching paint dry.

And of course <1% of the time it dealing with some hardware issue (finding the issue, googling for current status, fixing or scripting a workaround, etc).

Fun for me usually involves physical activity, learning something new, or spending time in the company of people I like. Installing a distro is staring at the screen, usually alone, and even when I learn something new it is of ephemeral nature, eg that kernel 5.x.y fixes the bluetooth issue with ACPI sleep.

I am curious about this; hardware is usually handled by the kernel, which is pretty much the same, and when you need some extra compilation option you can just go ahead and do it in any distro. In my experience, while certain things are more convenient in some distros, everything is possible in all of them.

Actually, that can be fun as well!
Take a look at my avatar, which comes from my
dragon alphabet. He is named Cracker, because
he consists of several layers of acrylic glazes, each
intended to form irregular cracks on the surface.


Since it is difficult/impossible to plan where the cracks will appear,
it is great fun watching paint dry… More info: Craquelure - Wikipedia.

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden


I’ll pass on the slackware diskettes. Still pondering what to do with the IBM OS2 CD I found in my basement.

You mean like these diskettes?

They are supposed to have a prominent position!

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Correct. Mine were not the collectors edition, more like the garage sale version

What? No 5.25" floppies? Disgraceful! :wink:

Are you one of those old school stoics who typed in the Minix kernal from the Tannenbaum textbook?

Nah, not that techy. If it’s around dinner time, probably thinking about something I ate

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Remembering the times when to have a functional system, I needed the 30+ OS/2 diskettes, plus the 25+ Communication Manager ones, and the 30+ C/C++ compiler ones. And I was glad I didn’t need the DB2 client.


N-o-o-o… but how about the ZCPR3 system on 8" floppy discs?


For my master’s degree work (early '80s), needed a computer. Fellow I worked with said, “come on over to the house and I’ll show you what you need.” Went over one Saturday, he had a workshop attached to the house with a large U-shaped bench running around the walls, and on one of the legs was laid out his “computer”. Card cage sitting on the bench, ribbon and bound cables running off the tops of various cards to keyboards, disk drives (8", sitting on the table), and a homebrew monitor made from a CRT tube captured in a makeshift wooden frame. “You need to build one of these, he said”. Yikes.

It was a S-100 bus computer with a Z-80 processor and 64K of memory. He showed me how that could be packaged, and how a serial terminal could be used instead of the franken-monitor. Okay, bit more do-able, and about 3 months later I had one assembled and running. It ran the CP/M operating system, two 8" floppies IIRC. I had to write Z-80 assembler code to make the disk drivers. I screwed all the components to a 2x2’ sheet of 3/4" plywood, including this 20lb power supply I found at a surplus store. Later, my dad helped me build a cabinet for it, with muffin fans to pull in cool air; sounded like a jet starting up when I powered it on. That computer and a 300bps headset-cup modem let me do all my coding assignments (Pascal!!) for the academic program.

Yeah, these days I just want my iron to work, no fiddling.


I am one of the very few Swedes who owns all of Donald Knuth’s
volumes of The Art of Computer Programming from 1968 (onwards)
in hardbound books.

A quote from him (taken from my memory):
if I have 4K core memory, and 7 tape stations, of which 4 also
can read backwards — then I can do anything in the world.

True. He could.
But a single run of the US census at the time would take about a week
to execute.

I do wonder what he would think of the machine that I presently have at my feet,
which probably would perform the same task in … … a few minutes?

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden


I was in the wrong programs for the C revolution, CoBOL in the business-oriented CIS bachelors, then all that Pascal/Modula-2/Ada stuff in the masters. My collection includes Madnick and Donovan (operating systems) and Aho and Ullman (compilers).

After I built that computer, Rick found a 256K solid state disk board (bare) for S-100 systems, we each bought one and hand-populated it with memory and other parts, man disk reads just screamed with that thing. Now, with 16GB of RAM and a 4Ghz CPU, I’m cooling my heels waiting for a CAD mesh render…


Very hardcore!

I refer the learned gentlemen back to my previous comment! :slight_smile:

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