First condensation experience: wut?! (should probably try breathing differently)

Hi.

After weeks of waiting for stable-ish sunlight, I rushed outside and took some pictures. The first ones came out OK, but then (when I started trying portrait orientation rather than landscape?) I started getting blurry results. I stopped my session in a panic, came back into the house, and it kept getting worse up to the point when AF could not even work and the camera refused to take pictures outside of MF mode. Here i a progression from left to right (with crops). The last picture (nearly uncropped) is supposed to be the kitchen:

Full thumbnails, showing a degradation that starts at the portrait-orientation attempt:

  • The temperature difference was not that big between my (arguably wet-aired) bedroom and outside: 17–19 °C → 18–21 °C, roughly.
  • I laid down under a tree, and there was dew on the vegetation at its foot, sure, but I personally was on non-vegetal ground, on a gym mat specially laid out for the occasion.

I therefore suspect the main culprit is the fact that, when I shoot, I put so much pressure on myself (so to speak) that I open the mouth and mostly breath through it rather than through my nose. I dunno, it helps me concentrate I guess?

I was using the viewfinder, so all the fog from my mouth was crashing directly into the camera – it quickly became apparent on the screen itself, but I thought it would stop there so I did not panic at this point. I suspect that this, combined with the portrait orientation, allowed the moisture to enter from god knows where. The battery-slot side was up, though, so on the opposite side of where my mouth was, so I’m surprised as I thought this area was the most sensible one in such matters.

  • Shouldn’t a nearly-brand-new Canon R6m2 be sealed well enough to prevent this, though?
  • Am I the only idiot who breathes like that while shooting? And do you think, too, that this breathing is indeed the core of the issue?
  • Speaking of being an idiot: in my panic, I removed the lens for a couple of seconds, to check whether condensation was indeed the issue. I saw nothing on the external end of the lens, but indeed there’s a round watery area here:

schema

… but atfer this I read everywhere on the web that in such cases it was really important not to remove the lens :woman_facepalming: to avoid propagation. I hope that my very quick check will not cause too many issues later on…

For now I locked the camera in a zip-lock plastic food bag thingy, with a bunch of silica gel bags (but many of those are old and maybe not as potent as they used to be). I removed battery and card and left the corresponding compartments open. I’m not trying to force the bag to warm up or anything for fear of making things worse; it’s just resting on a sofa. I guess I’ll have a look tomorrow. In the meantime, any piece of additional advice is welcome.

(I refrain from pouring uncooked rice in the bag because rice dust would probably get into the card slots and whatnot.)

I’m freaking out a bit :fearful: because:

  1. it looked more severe than most examples I saw on the web;
  2. it happened really fast and in conditions that I would have deemed normal enough before this event;
  3. I removed the lens for a couple of seconds;
  4. that camera cost me an arm;
  5. it happened on the inner side rather than at the tip, which seems less common.

Silica gel that has been around for a while will have absorbed all the moisture it can. It needs to be “dried”. See wikipedia etc.

Condensation occurs when warm moist air meets a colder surface. The condensation forms more easily, and takes longer to dissipate, when the surface is dirty. From your description, I suspect the rear of your lens could use a cleaning. To test this, huff on the lens surface. Condensation will form, but should clear evenly in about 10 seconds. If it takes longer, or clears unevenly, the lens needs cleaning.

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Thanks for the reply.

I suspected something like that. Good to know that it’s possible to “reset” those; I’ll do it if the issue persists tomorrow I guess.

But it’s almost brand new too :thinking: bought at the same time as the camera, about two months ago. The only times the rear was exposed were when I plugged the lens in after the purchase, and today when looking for condensation.

I’m confused:

  • This test would imply (assuming you’re referring to the rear part, as shown by my ugly schema) that removing the lens and just waiting for a few seconds lets condensation go away.
  • So then why do people on the web say that, in case of condensation being already present, it’s not advised at all to remove the lens and that we should instead put the whole camera in an airtight container with silica and so on? Why not just detach the lens like in your test?

I’m probably missing something. :sweat_smile:

I would just let the camera and the lens dry out (indoors, w/o silica gel, not in a bag). FWIW, I don’t think breathing should be an serious issue, and as long as it dries out, permanent damage is unlikely.

Hum perhaps I’ll do that during the night to mix the two approach (especially if my silica is too old). Not sure why some people suggest the bag technique (some even seem to imply it’s efficient without silica, which seemed a bit counter-intuitive to me) while some like you are on the opposite side. There may be pros and cons for both strategies, I dunno.

That’s relieving to hear. Having that stuff so close to the sensor is scary. And I read that it can mold if this lasts too long.

I should still get rid of that silly habit, if only because of the fact that getting moisture on the screen and viewfinder is hardly ideal when shooting. :face_in_clouds:

If condensation is forming, this means the lens is colder than the surrounding moist air. I wouldn’t remove the lens under those circumstances, unless getting the image is important so the lens needs an immediate clean.

The huff test should be done when condensation is not forming or present. This should be obvious, because if condensation is present, then it isn’t evaporating, and adding more condensation from the huff won’t evaporate so won’t show if your lens needs cleaning.

In general, if you go outside and condensation forms, you can wait until the camera temperature rises to the same temperature as the air. Maybe 30 minutes. Then moist air won’t condense on or in the camera.

Your breath will be warmer than the camera and moist. If that is the cause of your issue, then stop breathing. Or warm your camera, eg hang it from your neck under your jacket.

Yep, and significantly so I think. Plus, I noticed that the side that, in portrait orientation, ends up close to my mouth is where the “lens unlock” button is. So there may be some room there for moist air to invade the body-lens junction area. :sweat_smile:

I did a quick check while taking the camera out of the airtight bag: it already looks more or less normal now. :relieved: I’ll conduct better tests tomorrow when the sun is back out (if it deigns coming out at some point). As for long-term damage, well, obviously, only time will tell.

I don’t even know why I open the mouth like that. It’s kinda like when I try singing and activate thousands of useless muscles that drain my energy and ruin my singing: I wrongly assume breathing through the mouth helps me concentrate and stand stiller while shooting, but at the end of the day it’s just making a big mess of things. :sweat_smile:

Thanks for bearing with me during that fit of panic. :upside_down_face: I never experienced this with my old compact camera because the viewfinder was so poor that I always shot by looking at the screen, thus breathing from a greater distance.

One episode of condensation won’t cause long-term damage.

If a camera is damp from condensation or rain or whatever, don’t immediately put it away in a plastic bag or even a camera bag. Wait until it dries out first.

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I have this problem a lot when travelling with my camera and me in an airconditioned room and then I walk out into the tropical heat. One of my solutions is to acclimatize the camera to the outside temperature before starting my photo shoot. That may mean placing my camera bag outside on the balcony if it is safe from thieves and the elements.

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I may try this, but in that particular case the climate wasn’t extreme, and the room prior to that was roughly the same. I even think a door was wide open on the outside for a couple of hours. :laughing:

I tried the same shooting spot today and analyzed what I’ve been doing a little bit. I don’t actually always breathe through the mouth, it’s just that I hold my breath while aiming and then exhale a LOT once the picture is taken. Today I tried to ensure that I did this while turning my head away from the camera.

Except that… things started getting blurry again even without this, relatively quickly (less quickly than the previous time, but still quickly enough to make getting my gear out almost not worth it). It does not really seem tied to portrait orientation either – it’s just that it degrades suddenly and fairly quickly, so it’s easy to come to random wrong correlations.
The temperature, again, was nearly the same between indoors and outside in the shade.
Maybe the fact that I’m laying on a mat on the ground results in an overall wetter environment, but still, this seems like a poor reason for an expensive device to have to be given a long rest after 3–6 pictures. Middle-Eastern France isn’t a rainforest, as far as I know. :sweat_smile:

Edit: Trying to put silica gel out in the sun to avoid turning the oven on just for that, but not sure it does anything. Should have thrown them in the oven after my cake from this morning, haha.

Edit 2: Tried again (not the same spot, just random test shots) 40–50 min later after letting the camera indoor without bag: all clear. :woman_shrugging:

No issues in other locations so far, even if I go for a little walk and switch between sun and shade without real concern for acclimatization before or during the walk :woman_shrugging:
Here is a photo of the setup that caused the issue twice out of two attempts:

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There’s weird moss on the ground near where my head is, so I guess it’s a bit wetter, and perhaps the dark mat acted as a sun heat catalyst (especially near 13–14 pm), but this still sounds like black magic to me. :roll_eyes: