help - I think I'm allergic to non linux people/photographers

Aha! Thanks, that makes all the sense in the world. Hilarious cartoon indeed.

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I am allergic to people that state that something is “better” without being able to tell the “why”.

And that “why” can be as simple as “I have no time to switch operating system AND editing software, too”.

I have used pretty much every mainstream OS since MS-DOS and have been a happy Linux user for over a decade. Saying that as a professional photographer raises eye-brows a lot. Studying Software Design less so - someone has to balance out the trend of IT-people which are good photographers in the other direction.

Personally I do not care what people use to achieve their goal as long as it is not Adobe. :crazy_face: Although, sometimes I am forced to use Photoshop for jobs because GIMP still can’t do basic stuff that PS could do already decades ago - no joking. I have customers where I have set up their whole Lightroom workflow. But they give me one of their licenses for some time - an actual hurrah for cloud licenses - and that’s it.

At home the private machines are all LInux, my wife loves it - but she uses Windows both at work and the university because overall integration works better. I only have to run some VMs with windows for university, but studying Software Design teaches you even more about agnosticism towards systems. You will never know which is better because they all have their use-cases and they all will fail. Pick the one that fails less for your use-case is the GOTO mantra.

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Exactly. :+1::+1: :+1:

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I once met a man with an extraordinarily impressive goatee, so I asked him the obvious question: why? This is what he told me: “When my father was going through radiotherapy, he lost a patch of his hair; he was very proud of his thick wavey locks, and it bothered him greatly. I told him not to worry; I’d grow some hair on my chinny-chin-chin, and he could use it to cover the bald spot as soon as he got better. He never got better, but it was the first time I heard him laugh since he got sick. I miss him every day.”

Sometimes, “whys” are a very personal choice. I’m not sure this post has anything to do directly with the topic in question, but it does demonstrate an element of morality. Every time I look at the photo I took of this man, I think of what he said to me. And when anyone asks me why this photo is one of my favourites, I will say “Well… I met this man, and I asked him about his extraordinarily impressive goatee…”

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Especially if they don’t even try other things.

I don’t care for it either, but I don’t just dismiss the whole person…

We all have our individual priorities in life. Some priorities involve just 'git ‘er done’, with what works from the tools available. If a person develops a sense of “better” because what they do works for their situation, so be it. If I’m approached about how and why I do some particular thing, I’ll happily relate all that, but if they then decide not to follow suit, I’ll respect that and their reasons.

My son came back from a work get-together last night, related that the husband of one of his co-workers was an avid photographer and he wants to get us together to talk. Okay, I’ll bite, and we’ll see how close our predilections regarding any aspect of it align. And, even if he’s a SOOC JPEG shooter or whatever, hey, it’s photography… :laughing:

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I will try to explain my “why” that I think Linux is better than Windows. I have multiple reasons.

  1. I worked as a UNIX systems administrator for about 15 years before Linux even existed. I appreciated that I knew what was installed and running and why. Windows has tons of infrastructure behind the scenes that you don’t even know about until it gives you trouble.

  2. Windows sometimes takes several minutes just to boot up to usability. My Arch Linux system is completely ready to use in about 20 seconds, every time.

  3. In addition to that, Windows gets into these upgrade and reboot loops, with each upgrade requiring a reboot that takes several minutes, then immediately more upgrades are installed, again requiring a reboot that takes several more minutes. This angers me.

  4. My Linux system runs faster and uses less resources (e.g., memory).

  5. My Linux software is free as in freedom.

I’m sure there are other reasons, too.

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I started buying Microsoft Surface tablets a while back, don’t remember why. One of the things it does is boot in about 5 seconds, no kidding. Gotta love it when the software and hardware folk get together…

Yes. You pissed me off just bringing it up. :crazy_face:

No kidding. When I worked for the internet startup, we had a data collector we’d install in data centers. A Linux version and a Windows version, depending on the client. You would not believe the tons of data Windows collects on itself. Oh maybe you would, Tim…

I’d have to remotely reboot the Windows collectors weekly to keep them from getting confused. The Linux collectors just ran and ran…

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While the rest of your post fully agrees with what I said - or tried to say? - you could have included the second line from my post and not kill the context. =)

Offtopic: I know, the pixls software hates quoting so we get trained to quote is little as possible as not to be punished by the forum software which is an approach I really don’t like. A quote has to be as long as it needs to be and not what some arbitrary number in the backend was decided on. Also it is rather cumbersome to read intertwined discussions without literal quotes and having to jump back (works) but then having to find the current post again to continue reading.

You know what brought me to Linux?

The original Microsoft Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor.

Back in 2011 I let it run on my MSI netbook and while it used kinder words, the Advisor basically told me to pollinate myself and I should throw that machine out and get a new one because W7 would not run adequately on it. A few hours later I had a happy little Ubuntu running on that machine and today it still boots into Mint LMDE without a hitch.

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Oh wow, many apologies. I rather lost the context in which you pretty much agreed with what I said…

Yeah, it’s a fine balance between snipping for clarity and brevity vs. keeping track of the whole conversation. I grew annoyed with DPReview for the steady stream of one-line replies appended to a full inclusion of prior quotes…

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@ggbutcher, all good. =)

And yes, I totally get where the idea of limiting the quoted text comes from. On the other hand it can be rather interesting if people just forward their full conversation in an email.

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For me, it was “Windows Genuine Advantage”. At work, we had several expensive computers in our department, which of course ran original Windows. And then the OS forced me to waste my time with online validation of the licence, telling me afterwards how wonderful it was, that now I know to have the real thing. It also threatened me with “reduced functionality mode” in case I would not be willing to waste my time.

After that, I switched to Linux on every machine possible.

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Steve Ballmer, mostly. Actually, him, IE, .NET (better now) and the fact I just like the *nix approach more. But here I am running Windows now again. Go figure… :grin:

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You know what brought me to Linux?

The strange incompatibility between “Video for Windows 3.1” (Windows 3.1!) and the driver for my graphics card (Hercules Dynamite with an ET4000 GPU). That was back in 1994.
After short time being on the wrong track with DOS only and OS/2 I tried SuSE Linux as my first Linux distribution - what a revelation for me.

Few months ago an acquaintance told me that she likes to start with photography seriously, but on a very tight budget. So I lend her a camera and when it came to post processing she told me that her “old” PC with Windows would be very slow. Because I don’t have knowledge of Windows anymore I had to tell her that I could help her if Linux would be an option for her. But her tax software runs only on Windows and that is more important to her than an operating system for that I could help her. There was only one helpful advise I could give her: look out for a trustworthy person to optimise her Windows PC.

Fortunately ART, darktable and RawTherapee are available for Windows. So I can help her with that.
Sometimes there are those constraints and FOSS solutions unfortunately don’t fit full-scale.

E.

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About Windows. This is a great example.

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I’m typing this on a Surface Pro 7, I like the lightweight tablet form factor, all the FOSS software I normally use is available, and I really don’t want to spend time figuring out to shoehorn Ubuntu on this thing.

I have a 4Ghz 12-core Ryzen machine with 16Gb RAM and a Geforce 1066 GPU running Ubuntu because it’s a computing beast, all the FOSS software I normally use is available, and I don’t want to spend time figuring out how the OS works. Oh, vkdt runs just fine on it, that’s an important single consideration.

I did a lot of the computing things back in the day, even built computing clusters for teaching a distributed processing class. Now, I just want my computing to work for various non-computing tasks.

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I couldn’t resist… :slight_smile:

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Back in 2005 I stopped both smoking and using Windows.

One did a lot of good to my blood pressure.

The other let me recover my sense of smell.

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Having been bottle fed on Microsoft windows and adobe photoshop, many are afraid to try something new. They think free software must be somehow inferior or bug ridden than commercial software. (in fact the opposite is true because open source software has far more developers by several orders of magnitude than adobe or ms so more eyes are more likely to spot bugs or security issues.) Another issue is they want to be spoon fed tutorials and can’t be bothered teaching themselves.

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