foto
(Syv)
February 19, 2022, 8:48pm
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DT 3.8.1 on debian
After I have done my processing, I do the export with the: RL output sharpen.
The problem is it’s done after the resizing and it also depends on the image, I can’t preview, this means that I have to try one sigma at a time.
Can I do that at the command line, specifying the sigma for different raduises?
or
can I do it with gmic with different reduces (I have looked at the https://gmic.eu/reference/gmic_reference.pdf and can’t find rl sharpening)
Thanks
I’d look at the Diffuse or Sharpen preset for sharpening, either AA or non-AA. I’ve found this completely removes the need for post sharpening.
foto
(Syv)
February 20, 2022, 1:44am
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I did and I disagree, it’s very much a matter of image/subject. For photos of dog, it makes a big difference.
resized to 1500px by dt
view in geeqie
left: sharpen/diffuse dehaze + sharpen demosaicing aa
right: sharpen/diffuse dehaze + sharpen demosaicing aa + output sharpening.
When resized to 725px wide, the difference is even greater.
Thanks
kofa
(István Kovács)
February 20, 2022, 7:27am
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Do you use high quality resampling in export? What are your interpolation settings? Did you enable any setting that may impair quality?
rvietor
February 20, 2022, 7:39am
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How many output sizes do you use?
Iirc, output sharpening is used to correct for the loss in perceived sharpness due to the down-sampling, and is not dependant on image content. So for a given camera and output size, the required sharpening should be constant.
That suggests you could define presets for your output sharpening and your export sizes.
foto
(Syv)
February 20, 2022, 7:23pm
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rvietor:
How many output sizes do you use?
Iirc, output sharpening is used to correct for the loss in perceived sharpness due to the down-sampling, and is not dependant on image content. So for a given camera and output size, the required sharpening should be constant.
That suggests you could define presets for your output sharpening and your export sizes.
I usually use 1 down sampling size: 725x725. That’s 80% to 90% of the time. Then I occasionally use 1500x1500 and 2500x2500 or full size (0x0).
A preset would seem like a very good idea. Thanks
kofa
(István Kovács)
February 20, 2022, 8:50pm
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If you didn’t change it, it’s still probably the recommended default.
The interpolators can be adjusted in the preferences.
https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/3.8/en/preferences-settings/processing/
foto
(Syv)
February 20, 2022, 9:47pm
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It’s set to the default: lanczos3, but in the docs it says:
pixel interpolator (scaling)
lanczos3 can cause pixel overshoots leading to artefacts but sometimes gives a more crisp visual appearance. This option is therefore only provided for transforming (scaling) algorithms and is the default value.
It looks like the output sharpening richardson-lucie does give me the “crispiness”, short of crunching, then should I change the interpolator?
Thanks
kofa
(István Kovács)
February 21, 2022, 6:51am
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If you don’t see artefacts, then there’s no reason to change it, I think.
foto
(Syv)
February 21, 2022, 10:09pm
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Thank for taking the time to explain.