Sound solution for a home 2025?

Anyone know of its possible to have a sound setup in 2025 that:

  • Is foss friendly and has compatibility with a wide variety of digital devices but also allows analog input.
  • Allows you to control what room/speaker to output from. (At least from digital devices)
  • Allows you to output though all speakers.
  • Ideally but not necessarily enables you to hook up random hardware that inputs or outputs sound.
  • Does some of the sound transfer wirelessly.

I tried many years ago to achieve a limited version of this by using rpi’s and streaming sound using pulseaudio and a few other solutions. My main problem then was lag and general fragility. Has this improved since?

A commercial solution is ok but preferably something I can assemble. I need to buy speakers so if there are off the shelf solutions that integrate the software streaming side that might be an option.

It’s a small home and sound fidelity is secondary but there’s 4 of us and there are Linux computers for all of us, Apple and Android phones, Xbox, Kodi, Switch a MacBook from work etc.

Searching and/or asking on the forums here, might come up with something useful:

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ON hardware side I’d explore the solution like :

  • Inputs (Analog, Bluetooth) handled by a USB DAC linux compatible
  • outputs in different rooms handled by several USB basic output only DAC
  • Acoustic rendering of your choice (preamp monitors or amplifier + speakers)

On software side, linux and pipewire or pulseaudio is able to handle several streams (sources) and sinks (outputs) there are several software solutions to stream or play local library and have a networked control over (by binary client or web interface) like mpd based solutions and others…

It’s outside the scope of this forum but I’d be interested to ear about the solution you’ll be implementing !

I’ve used a HifiBerry in the past, which worked pretty well for multi-room audio. It’s good quality, too.

Ultimately, however, I found a simple Bluetooth adapter, and later on, a Wiim streamer simpler, connected to a traditional HiFi amp and speakers.

Thanks for the replies, opened up a few paths.

Are those performant and reliable for networked audio now? As mentioned i had issues with severe lag but this was many years ago. It’s was always bizarre to me that Bluetooth managed but wired network pulse audio lagged and stuttered.

These usb adapters seem to have features now that were unavailable last time I looked and may simplify things.

The crux seem to be the software side. Already with my daughter’s iMac hardware Linux desktop its not reliable to control and switch Bluetooth headphones, built in speakers and external monitors. Partly myself to blame cause she’s running Sid which obviously continuously changed the system.

The software surrounding their setups seem to be the way forward. Simpler is usually better though so multi-room may have to go.

I guess you want something like the Yamaha Stereo revievers - they all have bluetooth input, also optical and analouge and they support multiroom setups if you wish to do so… some also have airplay and networkplay (including DLAB) and support streaming providers if you are into those.

That website has caused me a bit of pain. So, here’s a fun story of how that website made me miserable for a few weeks, and helped me get a new amplifier I didn’t need. But it will take a bit of ink to explain:

You know the video game Final Fantasy VII? My wife played it as a kid. So when a remaster was released (read: modern retelling of the story with current video game tech), my wife wanted to play it. So I dusted off the old Playstation 4 we had lying around, and got the game. But then disaster struck: the center channel was dead.

Our 5.0 surround system was powered by an aging Arcam Movie 5.1. A fine amplifier, but not modern. In particular, lacking HDMI audio. Which is a problem, because the Playstation 4 has no audio outputs but HDMI . So I bought a cheap HDMI splitter, which is where we ended up with the dead center speaker. After much deliberation and checking, I determined that the old amplifier had a busted digital preamp, and needed to be replaced.

So, woe is me, I needed to delve into the difficult world of hi-fi reviews. A critical piece of information here: I was a big hi-fi nerd two decades ago, but that changed when it prompted me to study audio engineering, and ultimately ended with a PhD in audio signal processing. Thus knowing the technology and psychology of audio perception too well left me deeply disenfranchised with hi-fi reviews. As you might imagine, there is now some tension in my heart between the measurement microphone and the musical ears.

Equally importantly, my wife and I don’t want a hi-fi altar in our living room. We deliberately use a projector instead of a TV, so as to have the couch facing a window instead of a blank wall, because we don’t like the TV-centeredness of many homes. But as I had to find out, most modern surround sound amplifiers are terribly attention-grabbing and ugly.

Still, there was the NAD T758, an unassuming amplifier which seemed to fit our budget and style. And I just loved the idea of those interchangeable upgrade modules! But then, storm clouds appeared, in the form of audiosciencereview.com, a website that actually measures hi-fi equipment. And those measurements did not look good for the T758. Not good at all.

Now, I know very well that measurements and listening are not the same thing. I suspected, actually, that the T758 would probably sound just fine, especially for my somewhat pedestrian purpose. But still. I am a former audio scientist, and those measurements did look bad. This didn’t sit well with me.

What followed were a few dark weeks. I spent so many evenings poring over audiosciencereview’s reviews. Would I accept a Denon AVR that measured well but looked oh-so-ugly? The attention-grabbing Marantz instead that put the same electronics in a prettier box, but measured worse? Spend some ridiculous money on something nicer, undoubtedly completely out-pacing our speakers and room? I hated all those options.

In the end, I found a used NAD T777 for sale that had been upgraded to V3 electronics, and came with a warranty and a return window. It did not, however, come with a remote. The NAD support is spelled with B instead of N, regrettably, and couldn’t tell me which of their remotes would work with the T777, as the original one is no longer for sale. So I bought the most recent model and just hoped.

And thankfully, the remote actually did work for the T777, even though the handbook did not mention any of that, and their support… Let’s not mention their support ever again. That is, the remote almost worked. One function was missing: volume. It couldn’t change the volume. At this point, I was thoroughly annoyed. Remember, I just wanted to play a darn video game with my wife, and instead go sucked into a quagmire of reviews and measurements and HiFi voodoo. I was done. I’d just send the whole darn package back, T777 and remote and all, and just give up on surround sound and center channels and all that junk.

But then, just as I was about to pack everything up: a thought. The remote was programmable. It had been sold as new, but the box had looked awfully used. What if there had indeed been a previous owner, and what if they had reprogrammed the volume buttons, just to mess with me? Could the universe be that cruel? So it was. After de-programming all the remote buttons, for good measure, everything worked. And actually, sounded quite a bit better than the previous Arcam amp. I unexpectedly found myself revisiting some favorite music, and enjoying the new system a whole lot!

Except, that is, for the center channel in Final Fantasy VII Remake. Because that’s just a bug of the game, as it turns out. It just doesn’t play a center channel in some circumstances. :person_facepalming::person_facepalming:t3::woman_facepalming:t4:

So, anyway, that’s how I spent way too much time on audiosciencereviews, and ended up with a new amplifier that I didn’t need, but ultimately liked anyway.

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What a punchline

Did you throw the PS4 (presumably there is no game disk) out the window? LMAO. This is the kind of thing that drives me absolutely mad.

On the software side:

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No, actually, I just laughed and laughed and laughed for a good long while when I learned about that bug. What a hilarious situation!

I later found a reasonable workaround. With some tweaking of settings, I could coax the PlayStation to output a 4.0 mix. Still no center channel, but at least it wouldn’t route dialogues to the non-existent center.

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Lmao, I hope your wife appreciated the effort!

One of my mantras is to start at the end and work backwards.

What kind of music do you want to play, from what sources, and in what locations? Once you have determined this, then you can work backwards to the hardware that you need.

For myself, I have/had many CDs that I have digitised and have on a DLNA server. I also have music/audiobooks etc. on phones and tablets, that I need to play over Bluetooth. Podcasts and radio make up the bulk of everything else.

For this I use Naim kit, specifically their Mu-so. I only have the one, but if you have more, you can link them together and stream for a single app.

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The first button on their website says “book a listening session”… My wallet just yelped in pain.

I’m am glad this is a rabbit hole I can’t fall down since I can’t really hear the difference between my $20 ear buds and something nicer. I can spend my money frivolously on camera gear :rofl:

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Long years ago, I used to have a friend who was in to high-end audio. I occasionally used to buy kit from him, since he was always looking to buy something which was better than he already had (sounds like some camera owners I know). It had the advantage that the kit was scarcely used and was immaculate.

We were invited to dinner, I think as much as anything so that he could show us his CD player. He was the first person that I knew that had one. The thing that he was really excited about was the silence between tracks. “Just listen to this”, he said, and wound the volume up on his amplifier. He wasn’t quick enough to turn it down again when the next track came in and it blew his speakers :rofl:

It depends on two things, the kind of music that you listen to, and the format in which it is recorded. See if you can get hold of something like the Bach “Goldberg Variations” in both a lossy format (such as MP3) and a lossless one (such as FLAC). Try listening to both versions on your $20 ear buds and something better (I have some Bowers & Wilkins over-ear headphones). I can almost certainly guarantee that you will be able to tell the difference.

It is also something that you can learn to hear the difference. Having said that, there are limits. I suspect that I would not be able to tell the difference between my Mu-so and the really, really high-end kit that the likes of Naim produce.

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I dunno, I have tinnitus so my ears ring frequently and also cocktail hearing, so things often sound like they’re all at the same volume.

After a quick test it does seem like snapcast does quite the job compared to my previous attempts. Tested by installing snapserver as an “addon” on my libreelec rpi and installed snapclient on various things with or connected to speakers. This basically enabled me to have multi room sound in 30min.

Airplay isn’t perfect from iphones, slow to connect and perhaps a bit unreliable. Airplay via pulseaudio or pipewire worked pretty much flawlessly after installing the raop plugins.

Still some niggles due to the limited libreelec config options. Android is left out and Kodi itself can’t serve airplay and itself without config gymnastics, if then. There are web or device apps for turning off “clients” to play only on some speakers.

@nosle sounds like you’re off to a good start! Do keep us in the loop for how it works, my partner also wants whole house audio.

FWIW, these $20ish earphones both measure extremely well; better than pretty much all supposedly “audiophile” ones:

Edit: I guess the second one went up in price a bit

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I will take a look! For $20 I will probably order them :slight_smile:

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