Were some posts lost?

When I hit 10 posts removed out of the 20-something new posts, I decided the whole thing wasn’t useful.

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I was a bit disappointed to see the thread disappear, but I’m fundamentally good with what you did. Me, I’m a fan of the ‘process’, that is, how things are done, how they’re governed. This forum has a well-defined set of rules and considerations for that, and a governance structure to implement them. @paperdigits, you as a duly-appointed moderator did your job, and that’s what counts. You’re also constructively taking feedback, thanks for that.

It’s not like we won’t take up the relevant conversations again; indeed, seems to be happening. Gee, I love this place… :laughing:

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I do not think it was a mistake - after all, to me it seemed like your question was meant to provoke a discussion and it is not your fault that some answers were pretty rough in tone - some quite painful to read even as a bystander, to be honest (take that as “surprising but understandable” @paperdigits).

With the rise of vkdt, I was wondering about dt’s future, too - though more in a “Yay! A clean rewrite (roughly) of a software I love” - way.
And through this thread I learned about R&Darktable, which is interesting in itself and definitely worth a look - so there was some positive information I could gather from it.
After all, people seem to be very passionate about (digital) image manipulation, which in itself is a cool thing - and in general I like the discussion culture here :slight_smile:

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thanks

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I don’t think you should be deciding what’s “useful” - a very subjective decision anyway. I think you’re American - what about the 1st Amendment?!

Having said that, I didn’t see what was posted during the UK-overnight. Sounds like it was quite bad. So I think you should have said you deleted it due to highly abusive language or whatever it was. Saying it “spiralled out of control” is vague, and saying “I do not think it’s [dt’s] future should be questioned” is censorship.

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Yes, most of the moderation is subjective. That is what makes it difficult. I’ve said it several.different ways, so useful = constructive = civil and the discussion was none of those things.

I am American, that’s why I know that the 1st amendment is about what the American government can and can’t do to it’s citizens, not about what a privately run entity can do to its users. Similarly, the american paradigm of free speech does not exist on other social media platforms either, because they’re not.goverent run. Alluding to “free speech” on private platforms means you have no idea what the American concept of free speech is.

Further, pixls has never been a “free speech” zone and it never will be.

I didn’t say that, please quote me properly instead of twisting my words to fit your argument.

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You did! Though there should not be an apostrophe in “it’s”

Then quote it. Not rewrite it. That’s not what I said. I said there shouldn’t be doubt’s about dt’s future. I didn’t say “don’t question it.”

You can’t be pedantic and ignore the subtlety of my speech at the same time.

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Since this seems to become a controversy in its own right, perhaps a suggestion. As the famous saying goes “With great power, comes great responsibility”. If a moderator believes it is in the best interest of the forum to execute great power, it may be wise to consult a fellow moderator to share the responsibility.

I would like to point out we often consult each other before taking actions. It is just not visible to you.

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Perfect example of this crap as we are trying to discuss it. Be better… You really needed the grammar comment?? What did that contribute and why did you feel compelled to stick it in there??

Thank you. Pixls.us doesn’t need rude comments.

What’s going on here?! Are we looking at the same posts? Pls look at the second item, posted by yourself, in this thread. On my system it says “I do not think it’s future should be questioned.”

I’ve clarified it for you. Please learn to use the quote function so we can avoid this.

That explains a lot…
DT is my main tool for photograpy (in addition to the camera itself).

Your system is broken. Those two statements are quite different – the difference between an expression of confidence in darktable’s future and an one stating that you’re not allowed to talk about something. If you read the former and assumed the latter, that explains a lot.

Edit: Updated the first quotation to provide context.

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There are three sentences in that second post which were the justification for what seemed like a heavy-handed action. The last, taken with the deletion of the thread, is saying “don’t go there” in my opinion. You can finesse the meaning with expression of confidence etc but there is also the suggestion of a moderator with a finger hovering over the delete button saying something is off limits.

Why didn’t any of you flagged any of the offensive posts?

Speaking only for myself, I forgot that was even an option!

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Thanks @paperdigits , to me you did just right, personal attacks and insults should not be tolerated in this forum.

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