I’m willing to bet the manual does address it. What pages did you look at? What keywords did you search for?
The manual describes changing the modules. You can only change your own (not the pre created ones).
https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/4.0/en/darkroom/organization/manage-module-layouts/
Once again, I got what I needed and appreciate the help. I searched as best I could; don’t forget the self described Luddite part.
If you want to take me apart for not looking in the right place, or scold me for not searching properly, go for it. I will not participate in that kind of discussion; I’m 59 years old and both my Mother and Father are dead. Those are the only two who ever had any authority to do either of those things.
Thanks again for all of the help, and if I’m judging the conversation wrong, my apologies.
Well I have worked on the documentation in the past and will likely do so again in the future. I have spent a few hundred hours of my own personal leisure time trying to make them as good as I can for people like you. The manual, while it doesn’t cover everything and even doesn’t cover some things well, is about as comprehensive of a manual as you’re gong to see from a raw processor these days.
I’m a long time darktable user, and the more I use and understand it, the further I am from being able to implement changes that make it easier for new comers to find what they need.
If you don’t want to provide the feedback I ask for, that is fine, but this is how things improve.
There is an unwritten contract in free software: we support you and you support us. When we each give what we can, things get better.
As of now you’ve been vague in your description and vaguely insulting. That doesn’t help anyone.
Don’t know what you are talking about. What feedback? How I searched and what i searched for? I told you I was on Windows 10 Home, or did you miss that?
Honestly, the PDF viewer I used, I think the newest one from Windows that works with their browser, but I cannot remember, had no option to search a menu or anything of the sort. And don’t forget, I have said twice now; Luddite. In the truest sense of the word; i can barely get along at all with computers or anything techy, and tried to make that perfectly clear, so I have done the best that i can, given my limitations.
I searched by actually going through the table of contents and choosing anything I thought might relate to what i needed. Only option i had.The fact that I found nothing even when it was there does not surprise me. There may indeed have been a search facility in that PDF viewer that I couldn’t find as well.
The fact is there are people out there, yes, even photographers, who don’t automatically “get it” the way that you do, or to whom things like this are not second nature.
Having said all that, i do want to take the time to thank you for whatever work you did involving Darktable. As I said earlier, i love the software and would hate to be without it. But i am not like you, and these things are not intuitive to me, AT ALL.
Edited to add: Also, vaguely insulting? Did you miss the part where I apologized if I took the posts wrong?
When you aren’t looking someone in the eye, and when you’re new, yo don’t always interpret things correctly. I bent over backwards to apologise ahead of time for any missunderstanding. Perhaps I’m not the only one who took things the wrong way.
The questions I asked for here:
This is useful information for us.
I didn’t miss it, it just isn’t relevant or what I was asking about.
Can you be more specific? What sections did you look at?
Yes I know that, which is why I’m trying to get some feedback from you. That’s why we have written a 300+ page manual and ask people to read it.
Just because you make a blanket appolgy doesn’t mean it isn’t insulting. Its like when people say “well not to be offensive, but…” And then say something completely offensive.
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a lot of lines with words, but no usable information which information you have searched in which section of the manual etc. If you did your search that way I don’t wonder you haven’t found anything 
I told you everything I can remember.
I looked at everything I could find that I thought might be relavent. I spent a lot of time, most of it confusing and frustrating, trying to find an answer. Trying to remember every page I went to now is like someone coming out of a coma and being asked if they remember anything, lol. I’m sorry if that doesn’t help, best I can do at this point.
Have a great evening.
I do appreciate the help I got, but your warm welcome has made me regret ever coming here, almost. And yeah, I know you won’t get it and will keep on with this, but I have told you over and over, I don’t know, I don’t understand, I cannot navigate this stuff, etc., etc.
Not lying, not obfuscating, not playing games, best I can do Done with this thread, and contemplating leaving.
Once again, have a great evening, and thank you to all who took time to understand and actually help; it is much appreciated
https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/en/darkroom/organization/manage-module-layouts/
Top right corner to search…
For the future…example shown for the word module…
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Todd, where did you get that “user manual”. The one I have I downloaded from Darktable.org. What I have is nothing like that.
It is all just text, that is all, no graphs, very little interaction, etc.
The page where you downloaded the PDF also has a link to the HTML version of the same manual. But I won’t bother any further.
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Thank you. Sorry, once again, I have no idea if I can even use or view an HTML file, which is what I’m trying to get across to you guys
I’m sorry I have been so frustrating to you, and appreciate that you tried.
I have been in need of help many times so no worries…one thing related to your query. Maybe 2…Many times you can hold down the h key and any mouse clicks or shortcuts that are defined and that you can use are listed… also if you notice when you click the active module tab it will show you the active modules in the order in which DT processes them from bottom to top. If you click again you will see a list of all the modules and in their pipeline order… This can be a way to review not only the entire module list but to see in what order they get processed… if that is of any use to you…
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Todd, thank you, and it is.
HTML is the basic language or file format of almost all web pages. Your browser is showing you a rendered HTML file of the pixls.us forum web site that you are currently reading. Clicking the html link in the documentation will simply open the manual in the same browser that you are using to show the darktable home page.
After learning now that this can be a blocking point, it would maybe make sense to replace
English html/epub/pdf
by something such as
English: view in your browser (html)/download file for ebook readers (epub)/print or read as document with pages in a dedicated pdf reader (pdf)
on the darktable web site.
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Hi gitlvr! I’m a bit late finding this thread, but glad you’ve got at least your main issue sorted. Not much I can add at this point.
One thing I’ve sometimes noticed on online forums is that there can often be misinterpretations of peoples attitude… I put this down to the fact that in real life when one speaks to someone there’s many other cues as to whether they are being friendly, kind, insulting or rude… etc.
For example, on this forum I might say ‘why didn’t you do that?’ and it could come across as aggressive or condescending, whereas on the street, talking to a friend, it might sound quite different.
I just mention this as I thought there might have been a bit of this kind of ‘misinterpretation’ happening on this thread. Sometimes if I feel insulted online I try to consider all the different ways that the same words could have been said (if I’m not feeling too grumpy) - and discover that they may not have been meant how I thought!
I only say all this in case it helps anyone’s feelings… but it’s not aimed at anyone in particular 
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Its a good point language is now more important than ever and yet we often take less time with it. Speaking face to face would remove much of the problem in the first place but that is not the case for online discussions like those we have here and so then we have to understand that our words need to accurately reflect out question or response.
So for example in this one, likely nothing was meant, but saying “this doesn’t work for me” and having that directed at people who may have spent hours of their free time working on the software only to then donate this back to the open source community, might create a trigger…
Then also saying that you wont recommend it because you can’t figure out a feature… etc etc, you get my drift.
I think if you read the post the OP was frustrated in that moment and wrote a stream of text reflecting that state of mind with no intent top be insulting … yet we cannot use words freely without considering clear intent or we risk being misjudged.
I think this is like the email that you should not send when you are mad or emotional…let it sit and then craft a response that honours what you intend to say and not what your emotions might have push forth in that moment…
We have all done this and it is sad because I think there is a very good group of people on the forum but still we can easily end up where someone feels that comments are strong or ill intended and critical.
Its a lesson for us all.
Thankfully it usually gets sorted after a few rounds of feedback on both parts and that is a good thing.
As for this sort of thing the template used for reporting issues on Git has a lot of good information about the sorts of things that people can articulate in their posts that will help people to help one another when there is an issue… a quick review for new posters and those that don’t use Git is not a bad idea…
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Yes, I well remember one of those. I was having a bad day, and when someone contacted me on an unrelated subject, I repIied rather shortly. I was shocked later in the day when I reread the mail at just how aggressive it sounded. Happily the person on the other end knew me already and was understanding, but I don’t want to do it again! Mostly all agreed on the other points you mention too.
I think the whole thing is definitely something to consider from time to time 