Blue Hour Silhouette

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Despite the filename (I forgot to change timezones whilst in NZ), it was 21:34 and very little daylight remained. What struck me looking out the window was the silhouette of the wind turbine and the flashing red strobe; so I timed my capture to get the strobe. My goal in processing is solid crushed shadows with no hint of sensor noise but still picking up the poetry of wispy clouds in the sky, as well as the turbine. My essay is with darktable master. For those inclined to, have fun with the image.


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With ART 1.21
I am not satisfied with the noise reduction. I’m curious to see other attempts


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Greetings. Roberto

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I decided to ‘embrace’ the grain as it were… cause I couldn’t get rid of it tidily!
I quite like the effect though. Nice shot.
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My version…

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I’m not good with noise reduction :sob:


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The challenge with this image was noise reduction and I threw multiple modules at this problem. I was intrigued by your settings in the denoise (profile) module. Would you be willing to explain the why and how of those settings @martin.scharnke ?

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@Terry , the why and how is maybe less deliberate and planned and more trial and error.

My usual denoise is non-local means (auto) - which I have auto-applied to my images captured by Nikon on import. For most images it is perfectly adequate and I leave well enough alone. On occasion, especially with monochrome, I find wavelets (auto) performs better, according to my taste.

It is only when I have large amounts of noise and want to achieve something in particular that I go a little crazy with tweaking the settings. I usually leave the search radius low until I have a reasonable result, then, depending on the image, I might crank it to 15 or so if I want better denoising without further loss of detail, or - as in this case - go almost spinal tap (i.e. to “11”).

With high ISO images my cameras tend to have particularly noticeable (to me) noise in large areas of a single colour - so the “black” foreground in this instance. With this image I can live with the graininess in the sky when I disable denoise, but I the noise in the foreground is anathema. So for this one I play with the preserve shadows slider to seek the best compromise between eliminating random noise and introducing too much red into the foreground.

The strength I usually like to keep fairly low - no more than 1.5, and frequently 1.1 or 1. On this image, I was not too concerned with the “oil painting” or loss-of-detail-look. Again - a compromise and experimenting.

patch size, Scattering and central pixel weight are likewise adjusted by me as “experiment on the basis of the tooltips.”

I did have another go with bias correction but I dislike the unnatural effect in the sky.

Seriously, I am a blunt instrument kind of guy - what works, or works well enough, is usually sufficient. I use masks too little, basically due to efficiency reasons (laziness). @kofa is a lot more across the subtleties of the denoise module, as I recall from a previous playraw.

Here’s mine. Better? Worse? Different? :smiley: I went for a (literally) darker, late blue hour interpretation and tried to clean up some of the noise. I didn’t fret too much about retrieving every last bit of lost detail, but I got some of it back.

ART 1.21.24


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darktable 4.6+ LUT BW5


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That’s very kind of you, but on my own photos I do little denoising, usually chroma-only.

I rather liked the dark version, so:


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I imagine as the turbine being a huge fan that moves the clouds, sucking them in from the right, pushing them out on the left. :slight_smile:

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Just wanted to say, I like your original edit very much. I did several tries to improve it, but didn’t really manage to pull something of - neither in ART nor DT.
Maybe I will revisit this later with a fresh mind, but for now I’m skipping this play raw.

Nevertheless I enjoyed the process and did learn a few things, including your denoise settings, which do work well here.

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@martin.scharnke thanks for the reply. I may invest more time looking at the denoise (profiled) options. I have found that in recent releases the default values appeared better than earlier versions of DT. For most images I am just happy with the default. However, with really noisy images I may increase the default values to a strength of 1.5 and then do further denoising with the diffuse or sharpen module, and/or astrophoto denoise, and/or contrast equalizer. I tend to use the details threshold slider with a negative value with the extra denoising steps to preserve the edge details. When sharpening the images with high ISO images I also tend to use the details threshold slider with a positive value to sharpen edge details and avoid sharpening noise in the smooth areas of the image such as the sky.

I will explore the denoise (profiled) options and see if there is more I could be doing with that module. I shoot a lot of high ISO images and DT seems to tackle them well.

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Thank you, everyone.
Apologies, I am not going to comment on them, all, but very grateful for the level of engagement.
@dqpcoxeas - your crop tells its own story.
@Jean-Marc_Digne - it looks like an ink drawing on parchment - very nice!
@kofa - like your description, especially!

I ended up masking for all except the sky and the light on the turbine, and pulling exposure completely down for the minimalist look I was seeking. However no one interpretation is necessarily superior or inferior - that is the point of play_raw and artistic taste.
For the record, here is my final edit - only change to the previous one is the additional masked exposure instance (edit: I lie! I also changed the crop a little):

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Couldn’t stop fiddling around with the image :slight_smile:


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This one is my favorite - though I would like the foreground to be in Zone II :slightly_smiling_face:

Try this …before doing anything try the preserve shadows slider in profiled denoise… its set quite high I think 1.6 by default… Sometime dropping it down is just the right amount of additional denoising without having to do more or done maybe with a bump to strength if color noise is still an issue…

ProPhoto abstract profile in RT release-5.10


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