I'm unfortunately a frugal photographer, as it's only a hobby and money is tight. Is there any older gear I should look out for to upgrade from what I've got?

I bought a Canon Rebel t5 with the two kit lenses with some wedding money about a decade ago. I messed around with it, but it mostly sat collecting dust until a few years ago when I was cursed with the addiction that is bird watching. The vast majority of my photos are birds and nature, but I’ve been wanting to branch out learning how to shoot macro insects, or try to engage more in the artistic side of photography, instead of just documenting what wildlife I’ve seen. I have found I enjoy trying to get candid pictures of people, but my shutter is loud and people definitely act differently when they know I’m taking pictures.

Is there any older gear (newer than my seemingly ancient stuff) that I should look out for? Any cheap-ish upgrades to my current gear?

My current gear list is:

Body: Canon Rebel T5

Lenses: Canon EF 50mm 1:1.8 STM, Canon EFS 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS II, Canon EFS 55-250mm 1:4-5.6 IS STM, and most recently a beat up used Tamron 150mm-600mm f-5-6.3

Thanks y’all!

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Where are you based?

I’ll leave it to others to suggest lenses, I am a Nikon rather than a Cannon person.

I have no GAS whatsoever, so much so that while my camera has been dead for 3 years I have still not yet replaced it due to being a frugal person.

I am sure you have thought about this before, but I will say it directly here: While we have different reasons and thresholds for wanting new gear, I am wondering if you have already maximized potential of your current gear to warrant something new.

In terms of figuring out what you want, rental is a good way to explore the possibilities, although I do not know how far back we can go in terms of older gear.

I’m in central Iowa, USA. There is a local camera shop that I check their used inventory often, but I’m uncertain what all I should pay attention to.

I am wondering if you have already maximized potential of your current gear to warrant something new.

I’m wondering if this is where I’m at. My camera body is 12ish years old and I can’t help but wonder if a newer body might help. I don’t feel like I have a grasp on all the tech and stats to know what would, and wouldn’t be a worthwhile upgrade.

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I think anything in the last 5 years with a good lens will be a pretty big upgrade. The kit lens on the canon is just soft, period.

I think you need to tell us which systems you’re interested in. Are you happy with the megapixels of the canon? If yes, I’d say a M43 from Olympus or Panasonic would be a nice upgrade. Those are great kit for birding and macro work.

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I can’t afford to upgrade my whole kit, and was more hoping for suggestions on a macro setup that would work with my current body and/or lenses, and/or any older compatible gear that would be better than I currently have. Is there a relatively cheap older lens that works well for x-y-z type of photography? Also I’d be happy with any advice as to where my potential bottlenecks are gear wise? Can I upgrade to a newer body that still works with my current lenses.

Since most of lenses are EF, you could try to find a Canon 5D Mark III (they are around 275 euro over here), that could give a rather nice upgrade in image quality and auto focus capabilities, which helps with birding.

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I agree with martinus, a body upgrade seems like your best bet for birding due to more resolution and better SNR, and probably for quieter shutter as well.

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I wouldn’t say a new body is a bad idea, but I think a 5d mk-anything probably is, given the stated interests and challenges.

That probably means some kind of mirrorless, which is when electronic shutter modes stopped being such a handicap.

Those are possible with full-frame, but I find them much more enjoyable (and a lot cheaper) with crop systems. Almost all full frame cameras (aside from the very expensive, very slow, or both) would be a step backward in pixel density.

If you want to keep the same lenses, someone more familiar with Canon APS-C sized mirrorless will need to add their 2¢ for used body suggestions.

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275 Euro for a 5D mark iii is crazy good value for the money! I have both the mark ii and iii and its a big step in iso performance. Paired with your nifty fifty is really nice. A used 85 1.8 wont be very expensive either.

For macro. My best macro image was taken with a 70-210 mm EF lens from the 90s using dum ef extension tubes which can be had for almost nothing (no electronics). You can in that case set the aperture by holding the aperture preview button (next to the lens mount) and unmount the lens. The active aperture should stay when doing that. Focus by zooming move the camera physically, actually works surprisingly well!

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Here are two systems you could look into. They’re abandoned systems that had good kit deals. This makes them widely available, and no longer sought after, but they’re still great cameras, and you can find terrific deals:

The Canon M system, and the Samsung NX system.

But given his lens collection and budget constraints, a mirrorless system is way too expensive. Because you also need to take the lens adapter into account.

@my_dad has a Tamron 600mm, and 600mm on full frame is great for birding. When going full frame, he will lose in reach, but he will make a leap in low light situations. When I moved to a full frame, the better low light capabilities actually had much more of an effect… more pixels are not better if they are much noisier. So I stay with my recommendation with a 5D mark III

I have no experience with extension tubes, but the concept is nice. Maybe that is the best advice, start experimenting with extension tubes because that would be relatively cheap.

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Older Canon cameras benefit from Magic Lantern if you are interested, 5D3 included.

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I’ll also suggest getting a set of extension tubes. Third-party tubes are inexpensive and will let you do close-up and macro work with your existing lenses. Be sure to get ones that have electrical contacts so your lenses retain their electronic functionality.

Lens performance will be degraded somewhat due to the longer back focus distance they weren’t designed for, but if you are interested in getting away from documentary-style photos, that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

TL,DR: I change my recommendation to a Canon 7d mark 2. I cannot suggest any 5d for what was requested. I had way too much time to write this evening. Forgive me, I’ve over-done it.

And EF-S lenses do not fit EF full-frame Canons. There was never a crop mode in Canon’s full frame DSLRs, and the lens mount is machined in a way that prevents EF-S lenses from attaching to a full-frame camera because of the reduced mirror clearance. This means you’re balancing the cost of an adapter against the cost of half of their lenses, and I am unable to agree with your cost argument. If they want to replace lenses now, that’s up to them, but that didn’t sound like the plan so far.

As for full frame being less noisy than cropped sensors, I shoot with both a full-frame and crop sensor camera of the same generation, and I spend an unhealthy amount of time comparing them. There are specific conditions we have to talk about for the noise advantage to be true for similar generation sensors: we have to be talking about the same framing and shutter speed (obviously we are), and the full frame camera has to shoot at a larger physical aperture (so, faster than the focal ratio adjusted for the crop factor), so it’s gathering more photons for the same framing, with ISOs adjusted appropriately. In short: you have to accept the narrower depth of field to gain the noise advantage.

If you use that Tamron zoom somewhere within it’s range, and you never stop it down, then yes, it will be less noisy.

If we’ve maxed out the length of a zoom, and then cropped farther in, which happens all the time with smaller birds (the lens is never long enough), or we stop down to reach a specific depth of field, all of that goes out the window.

(The reverse problem happens too. If we’re at base ISO on the crop sensor camera, and have to increase shutter speed or stop down to keep from blowing out the highlights, we’ve hit the other wall and full-frame gains its advantage back again. The problem just isn’t as clear cut.)

In Canon land, the 7d mk 2 was the more popular birding camera for a reason, and is in about the same used price range. Trade offs will always be made between formats. A 5d mk 3 with that 50mm/1.8 would be a great available-light people camera, but would be slower and has an older focusing system than the 7dii. Specifically a 7dii has phase detect autofocus in live view, and a 5diii (as far as I could find) does not, covering one of the original requests for silent shooting.

If we are talking macro, like they’ve suggested they were interested in doing, where we are never shooting wide open, I get even more stubborn. I’m not using hyperbole to say I would never again use a full frame camera for macro unless it was my only option.


I probably shouldn’t be spending this much time writing long-winded rebuttals. :sweat_smile: This isn’t supposed to become a “my format vs your format argument,” I’m trying to match the suggestion to the request. I hope you don’t take my overly long answer personally… I love pixls because it’s largely free of “gear fights.”


@my_dad if you were thinking of upgrading the camera, with the minimum of gear change, I would change my recommendation to the Canon 7d mark II from 2014. It’s still a DSLR instead of a mirrorless, but the build quality and controls are on a different level than your Rebel. It was a very popular nature camera for several years running. It’s about the same price used as the full-frame 5dii that’s been mentioned, but uses all of your lenses with no adapters. It’s also new enough that it includes Canon’s Dual-Pixel phase-detect autofocus in live view, which gives you a good focusing system when using live view for silent shooting.

Like other’s have mentioned, extension tubes are a decent way to get into macro photography. They’re inexpensive, even the ones that include electrical contacts for the lens. The drawback is you can’t focus at any kind of regular distances with them mounted; it’s pretty much macro or nothing until they are removed.

I’d round out the recommendations with a cheap manual flash, if you don’t have one. If you make a home-made light diffuser with cardboard, tape, and white paper, it makes a huge difference for close up photography.

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Found my dirty cheap extension tubes :grimacing:
Honestly pretty bad fit with the mount but i solved it with a bit of tape around. Cant go much cheaper than that for macro!

The tubes!

Yes are right about the lenses, I missed one of them being an EF-S…

In bird photography I don’t often stop down, maybe 7.1 (I also have a 6.3 lens)…

There is of course always a heated debate about APS-C vs Full Frame in bird photography world. I moved from APSC to Full Frame.

And to be honest, In my situation I prefer the Full Frame. I had the 200-500 on Nikon D500. But moved to the 600 PF on Z8. If I do a ‘digital crop’ then I have more reach, but with equal or better quality. And I noticed because of better low light, I tend to shoot earlier (after sun rise) and later (before the sun set), which gives me more time in the field.

The Canon 7D Mark II you recommended is also a very solid choice! I have very much debated to go that way or Nikon D500…

Yes, a 7D Mark II is also nice! Maybe even better with the lens collection.

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One of the 18-55 mm (I think it was the Mk II or Mk III) was actually decent with regards to sharpness at f/5.6 and smaller.

Two of his lenses are EFS, only one is EF. I assume the Tamron is for APS-C, too. So, going FF is a bit weird, although a 5D Mk II or better is for sure an awesome upgrade.