Which is are you using? On Linux I use geeqie but digikam has a feature that groups jpg/raw pairs.
I’m running Windows 11. Thanks for the digikam suggestion! I was just starting to dig into it’s documention a bit. Do you know if dt recognizes Digikams rating system? (I may try it anyway… would be interesting)
Small update… I’ve installed Digikam, from the webite, ver 7.7.0, but it seems to be missing the option to group images that apparently should be in the ‘View’ menu.
Umm… dunno! Also, from my brief research into it, Digikam seems to work best when converting all raws into DNGs. (I may well be wrong) But basically, it looks far to much software for what I want to do :-/
I’ll keep looking, there are some other image manager options out there.
Try a right-click on one of a group of selected images, the last item of the popup menu should be “group”. As I don’t use that functionality very often, I don’t know if there’s an automatic way to group raws with associated jpegs. Perhaps ask in the digikam section of pixls.us?
Well, no. digikam works very well with raw images for the DAM functions, no need to convert all raws to .dng (with a possible exception for not yet recognised cameras, but even there I’d keep the raws)
I particularly like the tagging functionality, but that’s a function of how I use digikam: lots of nature photos (close-up and birds), where I want to search by group/species or location. And I store my images by date. So that’s three independent trees.
Ratings transfer without problems, keywords, captions, and titles also transfer rather well (there is a catch with hierarchical keywords, but I don’t remember the details anymore, it’s a matter of “setup once, use often”).
On the other hand, colour labels don’t transfer at all between the two applications, their use is too different (digikam: only one colour label allowed, dt: as many as you want). And I don’t think dt has the notion of pick labels…
Thanks rvietor! That’s very helpful info, and I stand corrected on the DNG issue-that-isn’t. (I had a nasty feeling I should have read the docs more carefully…).
And I just tried your suggestion to get the grouping function and it works. 
If I select the whole album of photos, I can group all the raw+jpg pairs with a couple of clicks, so that’s good. Maybe Digikam is the way to go after all, especially if the ratings transfer to dt as you say. I’ll try that next. Anyway, thanks again.
You may have to fiddle with the settings in both digikam and DT, but the ratings and colors do transfer. Flags don’t however.
Make sure digiKam always writes xmp sidecars, and that DT always checks the xmp for changes.
Hi Donatzsky, thanks. I had a go at that last night, I set DK to write XMPs, and DT to check them, but my ratings weren’t showing up in DT. DT did recognize that the XMPs had changed however. But I ran out of time to go further. I’ll get back to it when possible! Thanks again everyone for the assistance 
Sorry to take so long to reply. I rate in dt. I’ve never used DK for rating; and I recently purged DK from my Mac. (macOS has never really played nicely with DK; and my Linux laptops are too old and lacking RAM to run dt or DK comfortably.)
No worries at all, thanks for replying! All understood. I spent a while early this morning with DK and DT (
) and have got the ratings to transfer to DT.I think the setting I was missing was something to do with when DK writes to an XMP or not. (I’m on a different computer right now so can’t check -sorry).
So I can have what I want - ratings that apply to both raw+jpg, as long I group the pairs in DK. (quite quick) and they show up in DT.
I should be happy! I’m just not 100% sure how I’ll go I in the long run using two separate apps, but I’m nitpicking here. Thanks for the help everyone!
I think you should re-think your workflow DT helps here more than you seem to be aware of.
Normally - if you import raw & jpg files each “pair” found will be put in one group. What happens if you do rating, color buttons.
If
a) you work in single image mode the rating is applied to all selected images, ok?
b) you switch on grouping mode you will see 1) just one image of that group and 2) the rating you set will be applied to all images in that group.
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Hi, thanks for the ideas! But… I must be missing something. When I import a folder of raw and jpgs, they all show up separately. IS there a way of grouping the matching pairs of raw+jpgs? Sorry about the late reply, too.
EDIT! Got it! I just tried importing a folder of raw+jpgs, they show up separately as usual, but then hit the "collapse grouped images’ button on the top left, and hey presto, they all pair up. Now, why didn’t I find that before?? (rhetorical question)
This leads to another question though. @hannoschwalm, you said above
“b) you switch on grouping mode you will see 1) just one image of that group and 2) the rating you set will be applied to all images in that group.”
I just tried this, and it works as you say, but the image I see in the preview mode (when grouping is on) is the Raw, as it seems DT sets the Raw as the group leader.
If I want to view the jpgs instead, I can do that by entering .jpg as a filter. But then, as I go through, rating/culling images, it seems that the ratings are only applied to the jpgs, not the raws. I assume because they’re not the group leader. I can set the jpg as leader, but only one at a time.
This means that I can’t sort my photos working with the jpgs. Which I want to do, because (at least with my Sony raws) when I enter the full preview mode, DT processes it’s own version instead of showing embedded jpg, which is slow.
I’m almost there! But not quite.
There is an option to toggle this behavior as well.
Is there? I couldn’t find it (sorry!)
The only thing I could find seems to only relate to thumbnails, under the Lighttable tab in Preferences
Yes, that’s it. I assume when you say “enter into full preview mode” that you’re still in light table. Otherwise I don’t understand.
Yes, that’s correct, in Lighttable. By full preview I mean the right-most of the lighttable layout options at the bottom of the screen. Now, I have “use Raw file instead of embedded jpg from size” set to “never”, but when I bring (in full preview) up an ARW file form my A7s it thinks about it for a bit, then brings up a default dt processed image.
But, I’ve just discovered that with a Nikon NEF file, it just shows an embedded jpg!
I suppose the problem must be that my Sony files don’t have a sufficiently large jpg in them. Anyway, I’ve somehow got a bit sidetracked. I don’t suppose there’s a way to make DT apply ratings to both images in a grouped pair, when viewing the non-leader? That would do fine…
Just a little update.
This thread: Ordering of RAW+JPG pairs
sort of answers my last question about viewing the jpgs, but applying rating to the raw as well. I just need to learn about lua…
In the meantime, thanks to @hannoschwalm for pointing out the grouping functionality for raw+jpgs, I have a usable all-dt workflow, where I do get all my images rated, without having to do the raws and jpg separately.
As long as I rate the images before doing any processing (as I should) dt displays the embedded jpg in lighttable, so it’s fast. The only exception being my Sony files, where if the lighttable view is any bigger than 2 images on the screen, dt brings up a processed raw version, even with this turned off in the settings.
@archiemac , would this workflow work for you as well? It still doesn’t let you rate by viewing the jpgs (without the lua script mentioned above) but does dt show the BW jpg preview in lighttable with you? Just wondering. (Edit: I mean a BW embedded preview in the raw file)
Anyway, thanks for the assistance all round.
I always have the first one of these set to never…not sure if they maybe both need to be never…and if so would this help with your sony files??
Hi Todd, yes mine is set to never. I’ve used dt with Olympus, Nikon, Pentax and Sony (did someone say something about sticking to one system… 
) and they all seem to show an embedded jpg - except the Sony. Interesting no?
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