News about Rawtherapee development

I don’t have much mass, but it appeals to me.

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may my mass be with you!

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@martbetz

Excuse my bad english…

There is no simple answer to your proposition.

First of all, anything that leads to progression in RT is welcome. We have been too far behind for more than 2 years for various reasons, but this is not the place to discuss it.

So, anything that can lead to an improvement in knowledge (documentation) or communication is welcome, and for that I thank you for your initiative. :+1: :grinning:

But we run into some logistical and security difficulties.

For example, adding a section, a link to the website, requires access… This access is currently reserved for the Pixls.us manager and extending it raises the question: who, why? For example I don’t have access to it.

Another example, the documentation, either in its current form Rawpedia (which is somewhat obsolete) or any other form (video, etc.) assumes validation, such as when modifying the RT code (with a Pull Request or an Issue), and it also requires access rights, who and why ?

So, I summarize, we agree on the principle, we still have to agree on how, who, what, why?
Of course, this is just me and not RT.

:grinning:

Jacques

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Thanks for the very kind words, @jdc — much appreciated.

No problem at all; I completely understand and appreciate the logistics.

Also, thanks to @Kurt , @chaimav , @Herve5RT , @mozzihh , @ThomasO , and anyone else I may have missed for expressing an interest in my modest efforts. This being the case, then, I’m more than happy to continue with it as a standalone project and see how it develops.

An update to my previous response: as it’s currently hosted as a static page on my website (i.e. not as a dedicated blog in it’s own right) I can’t create a dedicated feed; however, my main website has an RSS feed, so I’ll post any updates to RawFocus in there along with a direct link (so you’ll not only get notified of any recent news about RawTherapee, but you’ll be kept up to date with all my crazy ramblings as well — sorry about that :wink: :laughing:).

Hope this helps. :slight_smile:

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Hello @martbetz

Thanks a lot for you efforts!

It will be really useful to get some more information (documentation, video tutorials, you name it) as regards RawTherapee :slight_smile:

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I agree, there is already a wealth of information on this forum and in RawPedia but it’s not always easy to find. For example I remembered seeing @heckflosse 's quick edit examples some time ago but it took me ages to find them again. Another 3-click processing in RT
It could be useful to have a quick access index somewhere that referenced the various tutorials and examples posted here or published in RawPedia.

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Sounds like something I could do. I’ll see what I can come up with. :slightly_smiling_face: Maybe I could do a second page that lists direct links to everything in an organised and useful manner? How does that sound?

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Hello @martbetz

Just an idea…
Even linking your web-page to some YouTube tutorials might be useful.
For instance, as regards “quick edit examples” with RawTherapee:
https://www.youtube.com/@FOSSedits/search?query=rawtherapee

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How about something like this?

RawSummaree

I could create a homepage as well as an easy way to access both the news page and the links page - sort of a mini website within my main website.

Here we go : News & Links

yep. It looks promising :slight_smile:

The difficult bit will be finding the links to individual tutorials, seeing whether they are suitable and then classifying them. Just searching ´tutorial’ in the RawTherapee category on this forum brings up quite a few hits but there aren’t that many actual tutorials as such. There are also useful links like the 3-click edit that don’t appear with this search.
Maybe it’s best to start with a small selection to see whether it fills an actual need and then build on it progressively.

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Here are 2 tutorials that I have posted in the past. Image licensing is in threads.

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Cool. I’ve got both pages and the homepage ready - now it’s just a case of adding the relevant info to each. I’ve included the links to the tutorials and channels mentioned thus far - when you find any others you’d like me to add, just send them via a PM. In the meantime I’ll add stuff as and when I come across it. :slightly_smiling_face:

I have a feeling the RawIndex page will get very large very soon — there’s A LOT of great content out there. Hopefully the page will help serve as a hub to easily find and access it all. :slightly_smiling_face:

@chaimav: nice tutorials, bye the way! :+1:

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Side note, regarding this, there was a discussion about moving to a solution similar to darktable’s docs using a static site generator such as Hugo.

That partly comes down to reorganizing RT’s github repos to be set up as an organization instead of in M’s personal Github namespace, something that was discussed around the 5.9 release, but just kinda fizzled out.

I did a bit of experimentation at Hugo before I left my previous job, and am happy to try and start pitching in here. Currently I have a lot of free time, but I’m still recovering from mental health issues caused by that job so I tend to work in spurts…

Once that’s done, anyone can submit a documentation change. The rawpedia issue was one of the main contributing factors to WIP: Bundled profile for reference image by Entropy512 · Pull Request #6646 · Beep6581/RawTherapee · GitHub getting stuck - I really would have preferred working on fixing the root cause of rawpedia’s problems than to engage in further workarounds to kick the can down the road (again).

A move to Hugo would align well with some of the stuff @martbetz has prototyped too IMO.

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@patdavid and I can help with Hugo and the theme and hosting (if necessary).

Is there a plan for HDR merging stacked images in Rawtherapee somewhere in the development timeline?

There are no plans for stacking arbitrary images together. Multi-frame images like Fujifilm or Pentax HDR, perhaps, but I remember a discussion saying other kinds of stacking are outside the scope of RawTherapee and is best left to other programs like HDRMerge.

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This is where I’d encourage the community to help — I’m happy to put together and maintain the project, but I’d need the help of those who’ve requested such a project in the first place to make it what they wan’t; that would include suggestions to what content they’d like to see included. Apart from the ones listed in this thread so far, I’m yet to receive any.

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I hope a late comment on this topic is acceptable - I have only just now seen this discussion and want to add my thoughts.

in 2019, after evaluating possible alternatives to LightRoom - both proprietary and FOSS - I decided to move from dt, factoring in the amount of learning support available in the significant portfolio of tutorial-type offerings on YouTube and elsewhere.

This choice caused me to virtually ignore the capability/functionality of RawTherapee, until I looked at it again starting a few months ago. The more I read and watch about RT the more I realise that this is an impressive product, about which far too little is known or referenced on the web in general

However, My earlier qualitative observations of RawTherapee still stand, to a certain extent: there is just not the same level of tutorial material available in the web, especially though YouTube. Granted there is a large amount of YouTube material on dt which has been ‘created’ by people who should never have been allowed access to a camera, a microphone and OBS-Studio, on the basis of their demonstrated inability to make a public presentation suitable for any audience - defined or not.

On the other hand there is a huge range of material on how to use dt created by those who are subject matters experts, and who also understand the art and science of making a video - they don’t give the impression that either their studio is on fire or that there is a desperately urgent need to respond to the call of nature, completing what should be a 20 minute video in 30 seconds.

In contrast RawTherapee doesn’t ‘offer’ either of these scenarios. The largest single source of YouTube videos appears to come from one creator with a pronounced ‘style’, which some students of RT might find somewhat off-putting, irrespective of the educational value in these videos.

So it seems to me that a lot more video (and written) educational material is required to do justice to the product and the efforts of the developers. The apparent comparative weakness of the product in respect to its lack of DAM needs to be addressed by publishing articles which show, in practice, how RT can by connected with other FOSS products so as to address such needs.

In addition the product should be given greater publicity - for example a link to this very Pixls.us topic should appear in the ‘News’ section of the web-site - which appears to be a little ‘thin’ in comparison to all the development work that is going on.

In that regard, the details of ‘what has changed in this release’ reads too much like a list of development line items that a software development manager might have regular nightmares about, rather than an explanation of what the changes can actually do for a non-developer raw processor user to enhance the results of their image editing.

There should be a link in the web-site to this very software category on Pixls.us, so that potential new users can see the reach and range of support and product functionality that is available. Perhaps the question needs to be asked if there is anybody in the wider developer team - including those responsible for tasks other than code creation - who should be looking at the publicity needs of the project, or whether this task should even be considered in a FOSS development environment.
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