The web0 manifesto

Would you sign it? Why?

I have some sympathy for the idea, but I think it’s a case of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. So I wouldn’t see the point in signing it.

Also Arial is the influencer/asshole type. No thanks. All bark, no bite from that guy.

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The problems are not blockchains, NFTs and metaverse. The question is who controls the web and the people using the web. I would sign a manifesto calling for free access to the web and open standards, and opposing monopolization by large corporations. I think it’s intellectually too shallow to just be against the “bullshit” .

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right wingers when don’t like something: That’s leftist communist, globalist, satanic agenda.

left wingers when dont’ like something: That’s ultra-right, capitalist, corporate agenda.

me: I just want to grill

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Based.

Regarding whole web0 shenenigans…

  • Blockchain shit - i’ve seen both right and left wing types hate it. and love it. Left-anarchist, openly socialist, ancaps, auth-rights, conservatives, libertarians… All have differing opinion. It’s not like blockchain is “corporate right-libertarian Silicon Valley bullshit”
  • NFTs - the idea is what? like 7 years old by now? And it became hype recently i think because of beeple’s and associated high monetary values. Previously it was just cute way to use blockchain & cryprocurrencies.
  • metaverse - that’s prooobably the only corposhit here. the recent push looks like playing second life in vr but instead of having fun it’s having job.

overal 1/3 actually SV bullshit :wink:

add to that the fact that web 2.0 was also silly hyped and it becomes apparent that it’s not a revolution, but an evolution with just more tools. Regardless whether you call it web0 or web3 or corporate rightoid bulshit it’s either adopted or not. It’s either used or forgotten. And nobody cares how many people signs the damn manifesto.

It’s not like I see the point in collecting signatures for a manifest that just seems to perform buzz word arithmetic, but is the ad hominem really necessary?

I’ve only seen tech bros loving it, to be honest (which political views they tend to have is left as an exercise to the reader).

Maybe not by itself, but all of the the noise recently comes from that kind of people (and companies like Reddit, Discord, Twitter, Game publishers).

I don’t see it as ad hominem. Lots of talk, little effort. Why do work on his behalf?

You’re free to disagree, of course.

A piece on the topic which instead of grabbing attention (signatures and buzzwords) actually contains an interesting take and practical tests: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> My first impressions of web3

I don’t know that person, and I don’t particularly care, but “X is the influencer/asshole type” seems pretty textbook adhominem-y to me :slight_smile:

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Arial is definitely not an influencer type(face). :stuck_out_tongue:

Allow me to partially disagree.

Regarding the influencer/asshole/barking labels, I understand what you mean, but in this particular subject, I see him more as an activist (activists are obliged to talk and eventually bark, to bring attention to a subject) whose mission as such is to clarify others about something they don’t know, as a non-specialized audience. In that sense, I find it particular useful to me the context he provides.
For instance (and I don’t want to bring this as another topic, just an example), he shared a discussion around recent changes in the Github TOC and the concerns it arose on part of the developers community - like the possibility of someone grabbing a gpl app and monetizing it (could this be related to the recent alert about people selling darktable on the MS Store?). I really didn’t know anything about it and I find it important to know what’s going on, even if this particular case ends up in nothing but barks.
Anyway, he also seems to be doing things beside barking, pushing Elementary OS apps and building a project of his own. At least, he seems to be trying to do something besides barking.

Thanks, very interesting indeed!

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